Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Heskett]

You ever wonder why DPS queues are so long? Read this thread again, that's why. Who would want to be a tank and voluntarily put themselves through all this BS. Most tanks really do only tank for their friends. It requires an INSANE amount of discipline to tank in DF and not let the lolDPS die when they complain it's too slow and pull extra mobs.

PLD main, speed runs my game. DPS can't pull extra mobs because there are none, yo.

[Stormrider]

I am confused aren't the mobs put in packs to pull? You can not pull to little, the game was designed to allow you to pull packs at a time. Also if anyone has noticed from fractal and neverreap you can never pull more then a couple of groups of mobs at a time.

So while they have not went back and redone old dungeons. 3.0 dungeons from a design stand point say to me "We currently aren't going to tell you not to speed run, we just won't let you speed run from now on."

[MeiUshu]

You ever wonder why DPS queues are so long? Read this thread again, that's why. Who would want to be a tank and voluntarily put themselves through all this BS. Most tanks really do only tank for their friends. It requires an INSANE amount of discipline to tank in DF and not let the lolDPS die when they complain it's too slow and pull extra mobs.

isnt that what everybody is wanting ? CHALLENGE? DF is the best way to train yourself and see if you are truely able to tank/heal what not in any situation with anybody, not only with friends, that knwo you, know how you will react and do and you them...

people want challenge and when they have one, they scream that it is too much of a challenge...silly this land
If someone pulls and it happens I allow twice, the third time, that person will die and lay dead on the floor. I happens to a BLM he stayed dead each time he did that and he did that each time, my healer was simply ignoring him...the strain put on me by that act especialyl that the tank was undergeared wayy undergeared was too much to handle...

Mei

[Eye_Gore]

Who would want to be a tank and voluntarily put themselves through all this BS.

Because we are not right in the head. This is the way I look at it anyways:


I'll tank the DF all day, actually that's all I tank, well not exactly all day.

[Evangela]

I am confused aren't the mobs put in packs to pull? You can not pull to little, the game was designed to allow you to pull packs at a time. Also if anyone has noticed from fractal and neverreap you can never pull more then a couple of groups of mobs at a time.

In the Aery, for the example, some slow tank will pull the mobs back 20-30 feet to avoid additional mobs. It's very annoying. even non-60 tanks can fight all the dragons in one big pull as long as the healer and DPS do their jobs.

these tanks annoyed summoners, black mages, healers, and even ninjas, bards, machinists, and dragoons because it's not worth using AoE as a non-caster DPS if the tank pull less than 4 enemies.

[cougarel]

these tanks annoyed summoners, black mages, healers, and even ninjas, bards, machinists, and dragoons because it's not worth using AoE as a non-caster DPS if the tank pull less than 4 enemies.

All fine and dandy, except most of the time this is done because the dps does shit damage or disregard some advices/pace . So please excuse me because I try not to have a wipe and every time take what the group can handle .
So I rather annoy your fine dps than wait for the healer to ress your ass ty.
On another note, like it has said before if the healer and tank can not handle or they are not comfortable rushing the instance, try not to input more load.
My 2 cents since my main is a tank and i've been tanking since i've register like 8 months ago.
And yes you have be a little crazy to still tank after some lolexperiences that most of the time involve dps which don't know, don't care and think they can tank.
I don't mean to be rude or something but stop with the threads about how bad tanks/healers are . Those times you get for queue in df are for a reason, not everybody can do the job of a tank/healer and enjoy it while doing it due to these posts and behavior .

[AzakaTonnerre]

Sorry bud, but you're mistaken. The tank does not set the flow. Regardless of what you might think, there are 4 ppl in the dungeon. Not just you. The party sets the flow. If 3 ppl want to you to pull another set of mobs, then do it. If the healer is pulling another mob, it means he knows he can keep you alive. If that happens then you, the tank, shouldn't have this mentality of, "if you want to tank it then go ahead." I'm tired of the "me, me, me" mindset. You're playing an mmo with other ppl. The party sets the flow. If you want to set your own pace, please go player a single player game

So what you are saying with this diatribe is that you're tired of the "me, me, me" mindset unless that "me, me, me" is "you, you, you"?

Brilliant.

[Maero]

And to the user that commented about healer or dps pulling, how is that any different? That would still be a me, me, me attitude, no?
If players do not like that someone is trying to be helpful they also have the option to leave the instance, those people were jerks OP.

[Erim-Nelhah]

I've never had anyone intentionally pull a boss for me. A couple of trash mobs, yes. Never the boss. I usually don't stop to give explanations, tho, unless it's important. I also don't dawdle, tho I'll wait a few seconds to see if the healer's gonna pop Stoneskin. That said, if intentionally you pull the boss before the party is ready, have fun tanking it, because I won't.

Same goes during trash pulls: If you're running ahead and pulling stuff for me, I'll let it slide once. Second time I'll ask you to stop. Third time...you pulled it, you get to tank it. If you want bigger pulls, feel free to ask - I may do it, or I may say something along the lines of "I don't think we can handle it" (usually because I'm not comfortable with it in that dungeon, or maybe the healer's undergeared) or "I don't think this run will go any faster with speed pulls" (This is usually the result of a bad dps comp - like a multi-melee comp, but can also be due to undergeared or just plain low dps).

Bottom Line: Don't pull for the tank unless he/she asks you to. It's rude, and can actually lead to problems (I actually died once in Neverreap because some DPS pulled the second set of bees and the treant for me - something I have yet to intentionally do because....those bees are evil).

--Erim Nelhah

[cougarel]

If by any chance the aggro is broken the dps is 1 hit or even less than 1 hit(overhit anyone?).I can not fully aggre that only one role of the party (aka tank or healer) can set the pace, you take it as a whole from the beginning until the end. So if you let die the dps that did indeed pull the trash, I can not really say you are a party member . I prefer to at least try to aggro them and even if the healer dies, in the interval of respawn I can explain why that and this . Only if he doesn't understand or doesn't want /is interested to understand , well you have the option to kick. By allowing someone to die because you refuse to do your part, well that is something a kid would do and not a real mmorpg player would do . The point of the game is not to make the fastest route to get the end game items, but to enjoy the game and improve your skills(yes even social as it is a mmo) until all the party(mostly constant )/fc members did grasp and can complete all the content.