Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Allard]

Luckily, I haven't had much trouble with this. People in general seem pretty patient for the most part. Well, for all I know, they're cursing like crazy on the other side of the monitor, but at least they stand still while I explain mechanics to new players.

That is why it made it all the more shocking for me when I ran The Wanderers Palace HM for the first time:

Me (paladin): "Hey guys, this is my first time. Please explain anything I need to know."
*no response*
*proceeds to tank up until the first boss*
*randomly booted from party without a single word*
Me: "What..."

I mean, what the hell man? What was I doing wrong? I was tanking, I didn't die or anything. The only thing I can think of is that I wasn't doing big enough pulls, but I was pulling 3-6 mobs at a time!

I feel your pain, OP. But don't let it discourage you. For the most part, the community seems very nice and patient. Don't let a few bad eggs alter your perception.

[Felis]

You missed the point of what they were saying. They weren't saying for the dps to go ahead and pull, they were talking about how if the other 3 people can handle more pulls, the tank should go for it, rather than the tank deciding they're in charge of everything. If you had a tank who was set to walking and didn't pull with shield lob/tomahawk, while only doing 1 group at a time, wouldn't you tell them to pull more and not to walk?

If the party can handle more enemies on the tank, then the other members should tell him that he can try to pull more enemies.
If a DPS pull, then you have not more enemies on the tank, but more enemies on the DPS and this result into more enemies on the healer.

[MeiUshu]

I have seen that done too often. New way of doing is...dont say anything until the end ..then at the end say *Learn how to tank* and poof gone.

What is this ? at least explain what he was doing wrong...or how he could better himself...not just make a blank statement like that and go, this is just silly

Mei

[RemenantStrife]

I was the summoner on this run, all I can say is I didn't pull mobs, the scholar did at times, I followed up rather than letting him die, not sure why but there were breaks in between pulls of small mobs which was frustrating

I ignored the slow pace of the dungeon as we hadn't wiped until the last boss, at this point we were already 10 minutes longer in there than needed due to slow pulls and typing done on a playstation controller im guessing?

but when the tank and other dps didn't go into the last boss room, i ran out before it locked me in, i think the scholar got out also, and he initiated a vote kick, i accepted as i had enough of the slow pace, there was no need to slow a run down by 50% or more to type instructions that are no longer necessary as the new guy was level 57 also

[Kaedan]

I TELL people when I'm gonna let them tank it. So they know I'm not doing my job on purpose because I'm not gonna pander to someone being an ass. It's obvious when someone pulls something by accident, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and get it off them, but if you blatantly run ahead of where I've stopped to kill stuff and try to bring me more, I'm not gonna take it because nothing annoys me more than selfish dps. Bloody tell me if you want me to pull more and I'll let you know if I can, but if I can't, just deal with it and focus on doing your own job not mine.


I've been levelling my drk lately and the amount of impatient dps I've encountered is staggering. I had one pull the morbol in that one guildhest, so I told him he could tank it if he wanted to so I went around to kill the bubbles. Surprise surprise, he ignores every mechanic and myself + the other dps aren't enough to kill all the orbs and eventually I get overwhelmed by slimes while I'm trying to protect the healer.
The loldrg decided to have a huge rant about how we should have ignored all the mechanics and focused the morbol and all we were doing was wasting his time ... when he was the one wasting everyone's time by making us all have to requeue - the sheer number of slimes made the thing untankable.

If you are a dps and the tank isn't going "fast enough" for you, suck it up. Even if you think the tank/healer can handle it, don't bloody pull stuff the tank isn't ready for. You're not saving precious, precious time. You're wasting it with your selfishness. I swear to god, the need for speed is going to kill this game.

And by stooping to the DPS's level, you're just making the situation worse.

It's one thing if they pull more than the group can handle. If they pull extra mobs and you end up dying because the healer can't keep up, then of course that's a problem. But if they pull more and you can handle the pull, then there's literally nothing to complain about. At that point you're being just as selfish (and a control freak) as the DPS if not moreso... And my main is a DRK.

I don't give a rip if DPS pull more mobs if 1) they don't pull too many and 2) if they come stand near me when they do so I can easily scoop them up.

[Eye_Gore]

*Learn how to tank* and poof gone.

First time I did Garuda EX. I was having trouble trying to get the add on me and separate them, as almost everyone out geared me. One of the only times I ever got an in game lashing. I just couldn't get them to aggro me so I offered up a solution. I told them who ever has the hate, just separate them instead of standing in the middle and I'll get the aggro off once they are separated. Nope, got told many times I should do another job. So instead of them not separating them off to the sides would just continue to wipe until finally abandoned.

I understand my job but when it is critical to separate adds for whatever reason whoever has the hate just separate them already and I'll get it off eventually. Doesn't help my job if some people don't ease up or just move the adds.

[Valenth]

IMO the kick was the response for "Hey, if you guys don't want me to tank, just say so :P"
Btw, how the new players communicated with you after this content?

He took the time to look me up on the website, create a char on my server and /tell me. Quite neat eh?

[Valenth]

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was intended for the OP who feels slighted because they let the DPS tank the mobs. I simply have no sympathy for players who put in zero effort.

I think you haven't read my OP entirely, as my situation was not regarding regular trashpulls as you seem to think. It was regarding the last boss in Halatali HM, and I had hardly said to the 1st-timer, who was happy for being explained btw, "After this pack a second duo comes out", my first sentence or the SMN ran in and pulled the boss. Phew... that was a long sentence... Damn these nuances that need to be made... xD

Anyway, I was actually putting in a lot of effort of making the run enjoyable for the 1st-timer, just like it was made enjoyable for me on my first time. I have zero problems with big trashpulls and what not, and we actually did that the entire dungeon quickly doing so without problems besides the duo pulling for me. I did catch agro of them quickly. The thing that did irk me though is that they often would be the one to initiate the pull, not pull extras, but hey, whatever, nothing I can't deal with.

Anyway, if I misunderstood you implying I put in zero effort, consider this response never made.

[Rynia]

And by stooping to the DPS's level, you're just making the situation worse.

It's one thing if they pull more than the group can handle. If they pull extra mobs and you end up dying because the healer can't keep up, then of course that's a problem. But if they pull more and you can handle the pull, then there's literally nothing to complain about. At that point you're being just as selfish (and a control freak) as the DPS if not moreso... And my main is a DRK.

I don't give a rip if DPS pull more mobs if 1) they don't pull too many and 2) if they come stand near me when they do so I can easily scoop them up.

If it doesn't bother you, then good on you. But it's hardly being selfish or a control freak to expect people to do their own jobs rather than try to take over yours because you're not living up to their standards.
Yeah, stooping to their level isn't the best idea. But what other choice do you have? It's either let them do it, let them tank it, or let them do it, take the mobs off them and let them receive no consequences for their actions. Either way, it's frustrating.

In fact, it doesn't even matter what class does what. tbh the main reason I just let people die is because I'm sick of bad attitudes, whatever the class. So I give as good as I get, because I've had enough of trying to be nice to these people and getting sod all back for the effort. And that's the point the OP was making, that there's a growing issue of people wanting to speedrun everything and votekicking people who don't agree or are new and thus "holding them back/wasting their time". It's awful and if I didn't have to use the DF for some stuff, I would literally only run with people I know to avoid this crap.

[Valenth]

I was the summoner on this run, all I can say is I didn't pull mobs, the scholar did at times, I followed up rather than letting him die, not sure why but there were breaks in between pulls of small mobs which was frustrating

I ignored the slow pace of the dungeon as we hadn't wiped until the last boss, at this point we were already 10 minutes longer in there than needed due to slow pulls and typing done on a playstation controller im guessing?

but when the tank and other dps didn't go into the last boss room, i ran out before it locked me in, i think the scholar got out also, and he initiated a vote kick, i accepted as i had enough of the slow pace, there was no need to slow a run down by 50% or more to type instructions that are no longer necessary as the new guy was level 57 also

Vivi!Buddy! There you are! Grats on your first post! Felt the need to respond because you got investigated for vote-kick abuse (using the "offline" for me from what I heard)? Or because your FC Master had a chat with you? Guess if the run normally needs to take 5 minutes, then yes the run was already taking 10 minutes longer... But regarding your comment about lv: he was still new to the actual dungeon, and appreciative of the explanations. It's irrelevant how high his level was because ilv synch and if you mean to imply with lv 57 he should be familiar with any tactics to unreasonably excuse a speedrun, well... it's a poor argument at best.

Regardless of reason, just like you took the effort to type now, you could have typed back then as well, asking me to go faster. You and your SCH friend never said a single word the entire run, not even an emote, nothing. And regardless of frustration, you should have known better than to abuse the vote-kick feature

Anyway, indulge my curiostiy I made in my OP: how long did it take for you to get a new Tank and DPS?

Ps. No, I'm playing on PC, you're quite skilled at exaggarating, aren't you? :P
Pps. Thanks for telling it was the SCH who initiated the most vote-kick feauture abuse
Ppps. I deliberitely didn't name you and your SCH friend out because I didn't want to start a possible witch-hunt for you guys... ^^;
Pppps. I guess I am being a bit childish with my choice of words, apologies for that.