Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Eidolon]

- When i'm on my healer in low level zones I just pull if the tank pulls too slow since it teaches him a lesson about fear.
- If a tank stops, you kick him. He will needs to learn that if someone tanks better then he should be DPSing.

Unfortunately MMOs these days are Solo-Friendly games where you can pop in a duty finder and never have to talk to anyone again.

I love how you call this 'unfortunate' (Bold), yet you do things that literally offer NO COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER.

Seriously dude, if you were in my party and you started pulling? I'd just kick you out of my party. Goodluck, have fun sitting in que again.

A good tank will communicate with their healer weather or not they are going to do big pulls or not. A good tank looks at the party composition and communicates what they're going to do - offering opportunity for protests if necessary.

A bad player does what you do. They ignore everything else and assume they know what's best for the party, and unfortuantely, MMO's these day are solo-friendly games where you can pop in a duty finder and never have to talk to anyone again.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I love how you call this 'unfortunate' (Bold), yet you do things that literally offer NO COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER.

Seriously dude, if you were in my party and you started pulling? I'd just kick you out of my party. Goodluck, have fun sitting in que again.

A good tank will communicate with their healer weather or not they are going to do big pulls or not. A good tank looks at the party composition and communicates what they're going to do - offering opportunity for protests if necessary.

A bad player does what you do. They ignore everything else and assume they know what's best for the party, and unfortuantely, MMO's these day are solo-friendly games where you can pop in a duty finder and never have to talk to anyone again.

Healer ques are not that bad. Whatever, probably a bad group anyways.

[Eidolon]

Healer ques are not that bad. Whatever, probably a bad group anyways. Lol.

Not really the major point of my post.

My point was you're just as bad and contribute to an enviroment of 'never saying anything again' as the people you bemoan. Instead of trying to help people improve, you're just randomly pulling and making things more annoying for the entire party.

Know what a great way to get a tank to pull more is?

/p Hey tank, would you mind grabbing a second pack? I can keep you up no problem.

[Ayanno]

When i'm on my healer in low level zones I just pull if the tank pulls too slow since it teaches him a lesson about fear. If he can't hold aggro it teaches him to get better. It is a lesson most tanks need to learn, so many are so afraid to pull these days and it can get boring. It also teaches bad healers to actually heal and not sit and wait like 99% seem to do. Better to nip that bud when they are youngins.

If a tank stops, you kick him. He will needs to learn that if someone tanks better then he should be DPSing.

Adaptability is a skill many people need to learn, you should not have to see a video to learn very simple mechanics of fights. The hardest dungeon right now is Aurum Vale, that is the only dungeon out of any Non-Savage, Non-Coil Raid I recommend saying. Everything else is simple and you can learn easily just by watching.

Unfortunately MMOs these days are Solo-Friendly games where you can pop in a duty finder and never have to talk to anyone again. There are no contested zones and no content your fighting and racing for. So you are not encouraged to rush and press forward but take your time, which to me is the reason MMOs are so boring these days. Fighting for content and racing are cut-out of every modern MMO, and the best players are the ones who remember the old times. =P

My response to this garbage is /sit and watch you die. You can either knock that crap off and we can continue the run, or you can kick me and wait for some other tank to come in, however long that'll be.

If you want to tank a dungeon, then you can damned well queue as a tank. Otherwise, you stand back and heal/dps and let me do my job, at whatever pace I feel like going that day.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

My response to this garbage is /sit and watch you die. You can either knock that crap off and we can continue the run, or you can kick me and wait for some other tank to come in, however long that'll be.

If you want to tank a dungeon, then you can damned well queue as a tank. Otherwise, you stand back and heal/dps and let me do my job, at whatever pace I feel like going that day.

As a tank you should be tougher and a leader.

Not really the major point of my post.

My point was you're just as bad and contribute to an enviroment of 'never saying anything again' as the people you bemoan. Instead of trying to help people improve, you're just randomly pulling and making things more annoying for the entire party.

Know what a great way to get a tank to pull more is?

He could learn to be a better leader and take charge instead of being cowardly.

[Eidolon]

Or he could learn to be a better leader and take charge instead of being a coward.

Except... maybe they're pulling what they think they should be pulling?

You know what a good part of being a team player is? It's communication. The same communication you act like is such a lost art, which you completely fail to realise yourself...

As a tank, I have a number of things on my mind.

1) My gear/skills
2) The Healer's gear/skills.
3) The dps composition.

On #3, I'm nto gonna pull groups of 6+ enemies if I have a MNK and a DRG I'm not gonna pull aoe. If I have a SMN and a BLM I'm gonna pull 2+ packs (2 packs is pretty easy in minimum ilevel and takes full advantage of the SMN)

The issue you have, is that you try to take that leadership role but offer nothign constructive in its place. You want tanks to be leaders? Then do what you're *****ing about. Teach them. Show them how. The only thing I hate is when bad people are bad and try to throw blame around. Cahracters not using vital skills, etc etc.

But not pulling large packs because it suits /your/ fancy? Just seems hypocritical.

[Firepower]

3) The dps composition.

On #3, I'm nto gonna pull groups of 6+ enemies if I have a MNK and a DRG I'm not gonna pull aoe. If I have a SMN and a BLM I'm gonna pull 2+ packs (2 packs is pretty easy in minimum ilevel and takes full advantage of the SMN)

I completely agree on the rest of the post but...

TBH even though MNK isn't in the realms of BLM or SMN with Elixir Field (220 potency AOE, 30 sec recast) now its definitely much more improved. Also with Purification TP isn't an issue for Perfect balance and Rockbreaker spam even though The forbidden Chakra is generally a much better use of the meditate.

It is still a net DPS gain for you to pull extra mobs with a MNK it's just less of a gain than if you went from single pulls to multiples when you have blms. DRG I can't comment on but as far as I remembered they were already better than MNK for Aoe DPS.

[Ayanno]

As a tank you should be tougher and a leader. If you can't take the reigns then be a DPS and a follower. The person who makes the group live or die is the healer.



Or he could learn to be a better leader and take charge instead of being a coward.

Tanks are cowards if they don't pull to your satisfaction? Seriously?

Get out.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

All they'll remember is playing with some guy who would run ahead and pull more than they wanted to. Then the next time it happens they just let the guy die adding more time to the run for no reason. No such thing as a bad student, just a bad teacher, and what you are attempting to teach is bad. I'm being nice too.

If I die being a bad teacher then I deserve it. <3

Tanks are cowards if they don't pull to your satisfaction? Seriously?

Get out.

Forums are here for a reason, just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you need to turn this into hatefulness.

[ShadowYomi]

I wonder would people be on the side of a DPS who refused to enter a boss fight because they were explaining something to another DPS. Especially if the fight had a DPS check.