Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[RemenantStrife]

Still, I see you touching upon a lot of side-issues of the main problem, pointing out particular parts of my text. I have yet to see you refute my point where I said you and the SCH could have told me something, anything in /p at all. Care to share your thoughts on that? Will you admit things probably didn't go so sour if you and him had just communicated a bit with me?

I play on PS4, so I only bother typing at times when I have my keyboard plugged in as otherwise its ridiculously slow to get anything said, but the pace at which you moved wasn't the deciding factor in the removal, that's the side issue, not entering the boss room is the main issue as had you entered, obviously there wouldn't have been a kick and the dungeon would have been completed, nothing said or done, just moved on

Reality of it is, had you entered the room, its a clear, no harm no foul, instead you stood outside and seem to pass blame to others

[Valenth]

I play on PS4, so I only bother typing at times when I have my keyboard plugged in as otherwise its ridiculously slow to get anything said, but the pace at which you moved wasn't the deciding factor in the removal, that's the side issue, not entering the boss room is the main issue as had you entered, obviously there wouldn't have been a kick and the dungeon would have been completed, nothing said or done, just moved on

Reality of it is, had you entered the room, its a clear, no harm no foul, instead you stood outside and seem to pass blame to others

Neh, you'll find in my previous posts I'm often saying I understand if people find me a jerk for letting the SCH get what's coming to him as I was explaning the tactics. I'm also saying I can understand your frustration. Actually, through a bit of self-mockery you'll see I'm taking potential blame quite a bit. Now, am I to understand you were unable to type? Can I assume your SCH friend was as well?

Maybe me not entering the boss-area purposely as the SCH pulled is, for you, the main issue. The main issue for me, besides some dents in my pride, is the abuse of the vote-kick feature. I can be sympathetic if the SCH pulled out of frustration over the pace and scolded me for it... but he didn't, he and you didn't say a word. Instead, again without saying a single word, you kicked me, knowingly abusing the vote-kick feature. Am I to blame myself for you and the SCH for mis-using the vote-kick feature? To me, that is an even bigger issue than me being a bit stubborn and letting your friend tank whatever he is, very purposely, pulling.

Anyway, what you consider equal to AFK or Offline and what they actually mean are not the same. Wether I was kicked for AFK or Offline, both were false and against the written rules of this game. We can both try to raise sympathy for our cause as much as you want to the end of days, but as I said before, yours and mine can be crossed away against each other and only that *ahum* legal issue remains.

[RemenantStrife]

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Legal issue, going to be honest and say SE don't even ban the bots, nor do they do much about the guys who sit in cities spamming "buy my gilz" messages, so thats not even a real issue, im only replying to the thread because I felt the issue was misrepresented and nothing wrong done

Part of my other issue is that I don't feel anyone should need their hand held through easy content, much more effective to just try the fight and learn that way, hell I would have preferred to try and then wipe than wait for all the explanations as at least it would have been time spent doing something (although admittedly, even you are aware im sure that the mechanics are a non issue these days)

Ps. Thought Sabers post was funny, tagged someone asking what needs explaining in the last boss, answers with the first boss lol

[Shalan]

Part of my other issue is that I don't feel anyone should need their hand held through easy content, much more effective to just try the fight and learn that way, hell I would have preferred to try and then wipe than wait for all the explanations as at least it would have been time spent doing something (although admittedly, even you are aware im sure that the mechanics are a non issue these days)

Pardon me for stepping in here, but wouldn't that have taken even longer than simply explaining the mechanics and then finishing the boss in one go?
Having to fight, wipe, come back, explain something so it doesn't happen again, then fight a second (or third if they still didn't get it down right) time tends to take a lot longer than typing, even if the typing is slow.

And to me, as someone who's only been playing for a few weeks mechanics aren't a non-issue. Even if a team decides to burn through a boss and ignore them it's still good to know what they are in case something goes wrong, you can avoid a secondary effect, or just know for future's sake.

Preferably the new person should check up on fights before entering a dungeon but you shouldn't be throwing people under the bus just because they haven't.

[RemenantStrife]

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Maybe taken longer, and although the time in there would have been longer (although again mechanics for the dungeon don't matter, weren't adhered to anyway even after the explanation on first or 2nd boss and no wipes), I find I don't notice it going by if I am doing something, but if I have to stand around doing absolutely nothing for good portions of the dungeon, that really drags on.

Also the "new" guy, wasn't new to the game, it was just his first time doing that particular dungeon but he was over geared, over levelled and generally wouldn't have had any issues anyway, I mean the first day dungeons are released everyone clears them without issues despite not knowing mechanics until they join, let alone months later

I don't see why the new guy would have to look up the fight beforehand, its only a dungeon, he would have learnt by just going through it

[Valenth]

Legal issue, going to be honest and say SE don't even ban the bots, nor do they do much about the guys who sit in cities spamming "buy my gilz" messages, so thats not even a real issue, im only replying to the thread because I felt the issue was misrepresented and nothing wrong done

Part of my other issue is that I don't feel anyone should need their hand held through easy content, much more effective to just try the fight and learn that way, hell I would have preferred to try and then wipe than wait for all the explanations as at least it would have been time spent doing something (although admittedly, even you are aware im sure that the mechanics are a non issue these days)

Ps. Thought Sabers post was funny, tagged someone asking what needs explaining in the last boss, answers with the first boss lol

We don't know how many bots SE bans for every one that slips through. The saying goes that for every rat seen, at least a dozen more are there. Regardless, legal is legal, and saying nothing will be done because of apparent bots being there is almost like saying it's alright to break into a house because the door was unlocked and only 1 in 10 thiefs doing so are caught. I know it's a but more nuanced, but you get the idea. The circumstances for frustration being understandable however, this particular use of the vote-kick, as per your elaboration in your previous posts as well, was just wrong and against the code of conduct.

Now, with the part of learning it the hard way I can relate to. I myself have had quite a few of these cases succesfully applied to myself. However, I'm the kind of guy that, no matter how effective something may be, I'll initially chose the path of less potential stress for others. I don't know how the new player will react to new situations, and with the lack of communication I just took the safe route and explained. Heck, if you guys had just even said "Hey, let's just go. Something happens, we 3-man", or something similar I would have gladly gone for it, perhaps with some laughs too. Because yes you're right, in saying the mechanics are a non-issue these days. For me at least they are, and obviously for you and your SCH friend as well. But if I have to chose between being a bit slower OR potentially causing a LOT of stress to one person, I'll take the first. Regardless, whenever I was plunged headfirst into new stuff, always some form of communication preceeded it, even a "lol, try 2 keep up". But as I said before, I had no way of knowing what was exactly going on in your guys' heads, for lack of communication, while I did have an idea what was going on in the 1st-timer's head.

Ps. Yes, I did have a chuckle about that boss mention as well, shame on me. :P

[Seryl199]

I play on PS4, so I only bother typing at times when I have my keyboard plugged in as otherwise its ridiculously slow to get anything said, but the pace at which you moved wasn't the deciding factor in the removal, that's the side issue, not entering the boss room is the main issue as had you entered, obviously there wouldn't have been a kick and the dungeon would have been completed, nothing said or done, just moved on

Reality of it is, had you entered the room, its a clear, no harm no foul, instead you stood outside and seem to pass blame to others

It must have been easy to see that the OP was typing out some info for the newbie and wasn't in the boss room. If everyone was standing around and you were waiting on the tank to pull, give him a ready check. If they don't ready up, obviously they aren't ready yet. If they do ready up, expect a pull within the next few seconds. Quick, easy communication without the need for a keyboard.