Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[RemenantStrife]

investigated for what? I wasn't offline or anything in the dungeon as you know, I was active (more active than some) in participating and completed the whole thing, i haven't been investigated for anything that i know of, in fact i think its a very good reason if the tank delays a run significantly to kick him. Personally I wouldn't have bothered initiating the kick, but when its up I'll vote honestly, and I felt you deserved it, its not an abuse of feature if you go stand outside a boss room and don't enter to then have you kicked for being "AFK" or whatever he voted you up for

Honestly, ive tanked dungeons, there is a pace which is suitable without massive pulls and that would have been fine but stopping for breaks in between each pull was excessive also

the dps was instant, the tank about 30 seconds later (seemed to be a friend of the dps who joined)

[NessaWyvern]

Uhm, you just named him then, when you said Vivi.

Most people would just shrug it off when stuff like this happens, it's quite funny you went into a long forum post rant about it

[Kaedan]

If it doesn't bother you, then good on you. But it's hardly being selfish or a control freak to expect people to do their own jobs rather than try to take over yours because you're not living up to their standards.
Yeah, stooping to their level isn't the best idea. But what other choice do you have? It's either let them do it, let them tank it, or let them do it, take the mobs off them and let them receive no consequences for their actions. Either way, it's frustrating.

If you can handle the pull, why does there need to be consequences? If you can handle the pull, they aren't really doing anything wrong. As I said, if they pull too many and it wipes you or nearly wipes you, that's cause to complain. But if you can handle extra mobs, then the DPS isn't doing anything wrong. You only perceive that they're doing something wrong because they are (somewhat) taking control away from you... which is why I mentioned it stems from selfishness/need for control.

[Valenth]

investigated for what? I wasn't offline or anything in the dungeon as you know, I was active (more active than some) in participating and completed the whole thing, i haven't been investigated for anything that i know of, in fact i think its a very good reason if the tank delays a run significantly to kick him. Personally I wouldn't have bothered initiating the kick, but when its up I'll vote honestly, and I felt you deserved it, its not an abuse of feature if you go stand outside a boss room and don't enter to then have you kicked for being "AFK" or whatever he voted you up for

Honestly, ive tanked dungeons, there is a pace which is suitable without massive pulls and that would have been fine but stopping for breaks in between each pull was excessive also

the dps was instant, the tank about 30 seconds later (seemed to be a friend of the dps who joined)

I didn't say you were offline, the reason used for kicking me was 'offline'. I think the feature actually says wrong use of it will not be tolerated. And yes, it IS abuse, for kicking me for AFK or Offline, because I was clearly talking to the DPS about the tactics. The SCH went in the room and pulled the last boss on his own. Now, we can argue about what 'significantly' means, but since this heavily relies on perception that is useless. For you it seems to have felt significantly slow, for the other DPS not, end of story. The only real answer can come from SE if they tell us with what time-frame they designed the place with, and I'm pretty darn sure I, nay, WE, were faster than that. :P The only times I stopped were to tell the new comer what to look out for on boss encounters, not on every trashpull as you claim. Sadly I know this is your word against mine, so we probably would do better for the both of us if we don't try to use that argument anymore, lest we make a fool out of both ourselves (if we haven't already by this time, heh).

Anyway, the previous point I made still stands: you and your SCH friend could have told me you were frustrated, you could have said anything, I would have at least tried to pick up the pace even more, you know?

Uhm, you just named him then, when you said Vivi.

Most people would just shrug it off when stuff like this happens, it's quite funny you went into a long forum post rant about it

Actually he named himself with his 'full' character's name being next to the display picture of his post. With his world, class and looks as well.

And yeah, I guess it's kinda funny the thread is becoming so long. I'm honestly very surprised :')

[braneri1]

This right here is exactly what's wrong with ppl. 9 times out of 10 if a dps or healer pulls an extra mob, it's a polite way of saying speed up. You are not the only one in the party. If it's your first time, that's fine. I will adjust and go slow because that's what needs to be done. I honestly don't care about speed, and I'm not gonna pull any extra mobs. I never said I did.

My comments are strictly in regards to the, "me tank, me all powerful, me lead, me set pace, bullcrap. All 4 ppl, party composition, skill all play a factor in the pace. Ppl need to be able to adjust, and I just want tanks to get off their high horse. It's nonsense

Perfect example of the cancer of this game.

[silentdevo]

That is because you played games like WoW where your used to watching youtube. However if you never say anything that player gets used to watching his environment. Thus he teaches himself, that is how you played Everquest. I learned every fight in the game without watching a video or asking for help. It is pretty easy to just do that.

Adaptability is a skill more people need to learn.

funny...never touched wow, I was tanking and teaching mechanics in everquest

[RemenantStrife]

I'm going to add in here, the title is very misleading also, while the tank was annoying with how slow he moved through the dungeon and the time needed to type a sentence, he wasn't kicked for typing instructions, if that was the case he would have been removed after the first boss or even the second boss when he typed them but that wasn't even brought up at those points

Instead, the vote only came up after the tank purposefully stood outside the final boss room in an attempt to cause the scholar to die for initiating the fight, had he moved into the room and even just hit the boss in sword oath to do damage (the scholar was capable of tanking as he was overgeared) there would have been no vote to kick, and he would have completed the dungeon

[Kallera]

This right here is exactly what's wrong with ppl. 9 times out of 10 if a dps or healer pulls an extra mob, it's a polite way of saying speed up. You are not the only one in the party. If it's your first time, that's fine. I will adjust and go slow because that's what needs to be done. I honestly don't care about speed, and I'm not gonna pull any extra mobs. I never said I did.

Uh, no. That's a polite way of getting people killed, if the tank doesn't expect it. They won't be so keen on speeding up then.

As for the op, if that happens on a boss pull i generally assume it was a mishap and tell everyone to leave the boss area, so that it resets.(not really the case for some fights, but dungeon runs usually have an exit.) If the pull was intentional the boss will usually straighten out the offending player while everyone else outside won't suffer for it.

[silentdevo]

This is kinda cute to read.
If you were at least a decent tank for 15+ years you should know full well you cannot have this its my way or no way attitude as a tank.
You accommodate to the majority of what folks want whether it be a speedrun or slow, not 'take commands from zee the tower' because I'm the special snowflake with the little blue icon.
All roles are dependant on each other and all set the pace, you are not more important or less than everyone else in the party.

eh then maybe you didn't play older mmo's the truth is only people with the exp to lead others were, tanks, there are leaders, and there are followers.

[MeiUshu]

Ppps. I deliberitely didn't name you and your SCH friend out because I didn't want to start a possible witch-hunt for you guys... ^^;
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this worries me...this alone is just worrysome !

Mei