Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Valenth]

Hey guys,

So, did this ever happen to you? We had a first timer in Halatali HM, and as tank I was explaining boss tactics. This pair of an impatient summoner and scholar pulls before I even moved in the boss area and barely have my first sentence out, leading to almost two wipes on the first boss from the big AoE because I didn't have time to say to leave the mammet alone, and one on the second because I didn't have time to tell about the orb.

So after the second boss I say "Hey, if you guys don't want me to tank, just say so :P" and we move on. Then on the last boss, they pull the same thing, I just keep standing outside and the 1st timer as well, let them tank if they want so badly I'm thinking. In the meantime I'm explaining the few things to the 1st-timer and then BOOM, I'm kicked from party...

I'll agree, I guess was a bit of a jerk for not rushing to their 'rescue' like some Leroy Jenkins situation, but is this really what's happening to the community? That people are getting punished for explaining tactics? And yeah, I guess being overgeared makes following tactics not that unforgiving in Halatali HM, but that seems like a bad excuse for being terribly impatient. Anyway, I've not written this post to get something done about it, I know that's quite futile, but more because I'm curious about your toughts.

Thanks for the read!

Ps. the 1st-timer also left after, not finishing the dungeon, telling me he told them they were *ssholes, lol. I do so hope irony happened and they had to wait a looooooong time for a new tank.

[Mikedizzy]

I really hate it when dps or healer try and pull shit for me, that is just total bullshit. The tank sets the flow and the other jobs need to knock that crap off. You did a good think as long as the new person wanted to hear what you had to say. I have seen the reverse where the new player does not want to be told anything. It seems though to me that you were just being the kind of player we want in this game...keep doing what you do and F* those players.

[AsahinaMyLove]

I really hate it when dps or healer try and pull shit for me, that is just total bullshit. The tank sets the flow and the other jobs need to knock that crap off. You did a good think as long as the new person wanted to hear what you had to say. I have seen the reverse where the new player does not want to be told anything. It seems though to me that you were just being the kind of player we want in this game...keep doing what you do and F* those players.

if some I-wanna-be-cool kids do this to me -> I just ignore the other mobs and let them die to teach them a lesson! ;D

[Granyala]

I really hate it when dps or healer try and pull shit for me, that is just total bullshit. The tank sets the flow and the other jobs need to knock that crap off.

As a tank it's your responsibility to assess what the party is capable of and pull accordingly. If you see your healer twiddling thumbs or throwing stones while you HP sits at 80-100%? You know you can pull more than one trashpack.

That being said, if you see that DPS is utter crap and the healer is struggling, you should slow down too.

As for explaining the tactics: explaining is fine and all, but please for the love of god don't yap on and on trying to explain everything in minute detail.
Look at the role of the newcomer, throw him the 2 sentences it takes to explain the deadly mechanics and pull.

No one wants to spend the night in the dungeon. Getting everyone through there as smoothly and quickly as possible is a burden we chose when we went in as tank.

Oh and btw: if you see that the tank misjudged the group, there is such a thing as a chat. You can ASK whether he can pull more aggressively or relax. Don't just charge in and "pull moar".

@Valenth: I too tank according to "you pull it? you tank it." You made the right call.

Everyone knows what their strength and weakness are.

Sadly, most people don't.
Really, because many (esp in a videogame) cannot accept that they might be wrong.

[Greven]

Oddly enough the same thing happened to me some time ago and the fast puller were a SMN and a SCH as well.

[Kathryn]

The community is getting worse and more none helpful, it'll cause people like myself to get fed up of silent rushing parties to quit.

[Frederick22]

I have the exact same issue yesterday.
First timers on Cophell Mines HM, wiped 2 times on 1st boss. I explained the mechanics kindly and I got kicked.

[Garotte14]

I really hate it when dps or healer try and pull shit for me, that is just total bullshit. The tank sets the flow and the other jobs need to knock that crap off.

Sorry bud, but you're mistaken. The tank does not set the flow. Regardless of what you might think, there are 4 ppl in the dungeon. Not just you. The party sets the flow. If 3 ppl want to you to pull another set of mobs, then do it. If the healer is pulling another mob, it means he knows he can keep you alive. If that happens then you, the tank, shouldn't have this mentality of, "if you want to tank it then go ahead." I'm tired of the "me, me, me" mindset. You're playing an mmo with other ppl. The party sets the flow. If you want to set your own pace, please go player a single player game

[Ashkendor]

Nah, you weren't being a jerk. You were doing the right thing.

They, on the other hand, were being complete assholes.

If 3 ppl want to you to pull another set of mobs, then do it.

Kind of a moot point since the OP was talking about pulling bosses.

You don't run in and pull a boss while the tank isn't even in the room.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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I don't agree with any of this. Tanks should always pull first and people shouldn't try to "help" by pulling things. Depending on the tank, they may not get hate off you right away. People who do this take unnecessary damage or possibly die and that's just adding more to the healer's plate, followed by drama because "the healer wasn't doing their job in healing" or how the tank "can't tank properly." I have endured many speed runs that botched horribly because of this, adding more time to something that was supposed to be "fast".

You want to know why people adapt to the "you pull it, you tank it" mindset? Because anyone who keeps pulling before the tank is impatient and these are likely the same people who run off before the healer can use Protect on everyone. If someone in my party keeps making the same rookie mistakes over over because they wanted to "help the tank" or just can't wait 5 seconds for a buff, then they're likely not going to be a good team player to begin with and I shouldn't wipe with them because of it. No one person can set the pace, but it is not selfish to ask people to let the tank do their job so that everyone else can stay alive.

People talk about tanks having a huge "memememe" ego trip (and some do have it), but healers and DPS can be just as selfish with their unnecessary pulling just because they want to finish the run 4 minute sooner. Not everyone in DF plays the same.