[Idea] Race: Allagan

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Except that Nidhogg isn't dead

So I think you are also guilty of missing part of a cutscene granted the war is lesser currently but I'd argue its not really ended just yet.

Good catch =D He must definately be a CS skipper!

Un-needed hate.

I think the only reason they gave you a chance to speak was because of Midgardsormr and Lady Iceheart. If you did not have them with you the conversation might have gone a bit different.

The Allagan's themselves were the races we play. This would be a new race created by them to be the perfect (yet imperfect) being.

[PotatoWafflez]

If you are referring to his eyes... Good gods help you. He is dead, His eyes can exist without a body. His influence can still take over someone via his stolen eyes.

I feel like I'm repeating myself in this thread, I'll just leave you earless mongers to your fantasies that will never happen.

-spoiler-

Right so the part where he takes over the Azure dragoons body didn't happen at all right? Turns into a dragon and everything and flies off to regain his strength? Yeah that totally didn't happen and/or means he isn't dead

/10char

[Nestama]

So what? I think are going way off topic now. Midgarsomir doesnt care what you are, judges you for what you have done. Image you are an elezen, dragons have reasons to hate elezens for same reasons like allagans

Think about it (and I posted this already), why would he want to associate with someone who is in relation to a culture that has permanently ruined two of his children's lives? One being killed and the other (still) being captured. An entire brood(?) of Meracydian dragons were also captured and tortured for 5000 years (Binding Coil of Bahamut) just so they would keep Bahamut Prime summoned.

I'm also having trouble figuring out how Hydaelyn would interact with something that was artificially made... Ascians probably can't possess machines and Primals most likely can't temper them.

[Frederick22]

Think about it (and I posted this already), why would he want to associate with someone who is in relation to a culture that has permanently ruined two of his children's lives? One being killed and the other (still) being captured. An entire brood(?) of Meracydian dragons were also captured and tortured for 5000 years (Binding Coil of Bahamut) just so they would keep Bahamut Prime summoned.

and the elezen dont enter on this culture? an angry dragon will not care if you are Ishgardian or not, on mosly cases. In fact all dragons we meet on HW, despite our race they atack us on sight.

Again midgarsomir didnt care our culture, he care what our purpose. We would be an elezen dragoon he would still be on our side despite the history of dragoons and dragons

Despite the race/job this will never change, so if we even seen an allagan race, the story will be the same. That I doubt it, beacuse allagans were mostly hyurs and some elezens ( Amon is the evidence ). But yea could be that maybe the allagans that survive, somehoe with their technologie their change their bodies someone in order to survive, making them a new race.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Think about it (and I posted this already), why would he want to associate with someone who is in relation to a culture that has permanently ruined two of his children's lives? One being killed and the other (still) being captured. An entire brood(?) of Meracydian dragons were also captured and tortured for 5000 years (Binding Coil of Bahamut) just so they would keep Bahamut Prime summoned.

I'm also having trouble figuring out how Hydaelyn would interact with something that was artificially made... Ascians probably can't possess machines and Primals most likely can't temper them.

Didn't Elezen also attack and murder one of his kin to take their eyes?

[DracotheDragon]

Didn't Elezen also attack and murder one of his kin to take their eyes?

EDIT: i hid the text behind spoiler walls

murderd one went to war with the remaining 4 even created a union between dragon and elezen before betraying them for power, technically murderd nidhogg by taking his eyes, and even

summoned thirteen primals which were going to kill the rest of them (midgarsomorr would of seen this.))

what the allag empire did against the dragons ... killed bahamut, captured tiamat... captured the primal bahamut and the myrcidians who were attacking them thats about it XD

the allag and elezen are just as bad as each other o..o

[Frederick22]

coment

Exacly but did midgarsomorr judge you if you are an dragoon elezen?

answer is no

[PotatoWafflez]

Also because I haven't seen it mentioned.

Can the allagan infuse them with a soul / soul equivalent in order to allow them to receive the blessing of light and also harness the power of the echo? You also need to take into account how costly this process would be in regards to how feasible this would be for them to make more than a handful.

Personally I feel if they can't explain how they do either of those then you can't have them be a warrior of light but I could see them being NPCs no problem

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Also because I haven't seen it mentioned.

Can the allagan infuse them with a soul / soul equivalent in order to allow them to receive the blessing of light and also harness the power of the echo? You also need to take into account how costly this process would be in regards to how feasible this would be for them to make more than a handful.

Personally I feel if they can't explain how they do either of those then you can't have them be a warrior of light but I could see them being NPCs no problem

How do you know they weren't prisoners or once people themselves placed inside the body?

[PotatoWafflez]

How do you know they weren't prisoners or once people themselves placed inside the body?

From what I gather the only humaniod non-monster like allagan creations I can recall seeing have been either clones or puppets, which both have the issue of souls not being 100% guaranteed.

I suppose they could be prisoners but it seems unlikely as they seem to have focused more on primitive creatures/monsters which you can argue means they either didn't have the knowledge yet or didn't have the resources for more humanoid creations with higher functions and intelligence to the point of attaining qualities one attributes to a soul on a large scale and clones/puppets were more cost effective.

In regards to your second point I suppose that would work seeing ascians can do similar things but I believe the issue would then come when the character died because then the "occupant" would be released as it was not their original vessel thus reattaching them isn't as simple? My lore on how death works needs a refresher to make a more solid argument on this one.