PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[TouchandFeel]

Tempered Will could have Prevents Cast Interruptions added to it - the addition of job-specific spell casting abilities for PLD makes that seem appropriate.

I think that is a good idea. It adds value to an already insanely niche ability and fits with the conceptual theme of the ability or at least the name.

[Zfz]

Okay, the only situation PLD will OT is if the fight is magical damage based. As such, RoH isn't optimal to use at all (irrelevant in mitigation and a DPS loss).

Which begs the question...why are we even comparing OT dps? We should be comparing MT dps because common sense suggests that tanks are balanced for while they are tanking.

I'm pretty sure the video was intending to show off something close to the maximum potential dps of the 3 tanking classes. There's nothing wrong with a dummy parse to show something like that.

And people will soon (if they have not already) take the conclusions of that video out of context and say, dps for tanks are fine, and apply that conclusion to every argument involving tank dps, even for MTing.

[HoodRat]

Which begs the question...why are we even comparing OT dps? We should be comparing MT dps because common sense suggests that tanks are balanced for while they are tanking.

Because this thread isn't about comparing the dps of the three tanks. It's about a mediocre drg who doesn't know how to play pld crying that their pld dps in SwO is bad on a dummy.

[SpookyGhost]

And people will soon (if they have not already) take the conclusions of that video out of context and say, dps for tanks are fine, and apply that conclusion to every argument involving tank dps, even for MTing.

I think you'll find that Fell Cleave hits for 11k every time and that WAR is so OP you can bring 8 of them to anything and kill it immediately.

[Blueskyy]

Because this thread isn't about comparing the dps of the three tanks. It's about a mediocre drg who doesn't know how to play pld crying that their pld dps in SwO is bad on a dummy.

I'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks of this

[Giantbane]

Which begs the question...why are we even comparing OT dps? We should be comparing MT dps because common sense suggests that tanks are balanced for while they are tanking.

both are important functions, they should be balanced for both

[Sandamar]

I myself dont care that much about our dps as OT because frankly It Is far from behind bad.
I want a balance on dps as MT. Because paladin is really behind on this sector. We have absolutely nothing to remove the damage penalty of Shield oath.
Drk get their double stance war got unchained and Inner beast.
A very simple thing to add would BE that Shield swipe ignore damage penalty it makes sense and would BE design for improving dps as MT only. Would do great without being stupidly OP

[Croisciento]

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It's intended by SE to have DRK being the tank that output the most dps while tanking. DRK has only one utility spell and that is if there's no monk in your group. Paladin got stoneskin, divine veil, clemency and cover even if it's extremely situational. You even got a spell that refunds mana every 30s, and i've seen to many people who're crying over paladin dps but aint even using their entire toolkit. On A1 you have plenty of time to look at your team and put a stoneskin on one person marked. During the jump phase among the 3 paladin my group got, not a single one used divine veil after the oppressor jumped.

At this point if your group is not getting past the first three floors of Alexander your dps should just get good, tank dps is not the problem.

[Reynhart]

It's intended by SE to have DRK being the tank that output the most dps while tanking.

Except numbers seem to say that it's not the case.

[Launched]

I want a balance on dps as MT. Because paladin is really behind on this sector. We have absolutely nothing to remove the damage penalty of Shield oath.
Drk get their double stance war got unchained and Inner beast.

PLD doesn't deserve a single extra point of MT DPS as long as it has built-in passive mitigation and Hallowed Ground. If you want to be the most defensive tank then that's fine, that's your advantage. Your disadvantage is that you do less MT DPS. Deal with that, instead of complaining that a few fights that don't let you block make your entire skillset irrelevant and that you need buffs.