PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Ercapote]

amen.

Finally! god bless you and all the smart people on this treat that knows what the hell we are talking about, I've been following this entire post for 2 days and god this "Phoenica" person was getting on my nerves this ladies and gentleman is the current true state of this situation and the reason PALADIN is the current focus on the matter.

Honestly if anyone keep claiming other wise they are trying to hard to be so wrong about something that doesn't have any other way around. It is what it is.

I think people claiming otherwise aren't even pallys and are just hardly trying to protect their class of choice because they know right now is so perfect and has it's confy spot on every raid group right "phoenica"?

[Phoenicia]

Finally! god bless you and all the smart people on this treat that knows what the hell we are talking about, I've been following this entire post for 2 days and god this "Phoenica" person was getting on my nerves this ladies and gentleman is the current true state of this situation and the reason PALADIN is the current focus on the matter.

Honestly if anyone keep claiming other wise they are trying to hard to be so wrong about something that doesn't have any other way around. It is what it is.

I think people claiming otherwise aren't even pallys and are just hardly trying to protect their class of choice because they know right now is so perfect and has it's confy spot on every raid group right "phoenica"?

Ok, so you agree with the guy that agrees with me that PLD shouldn't do more DPS as long as it has this "safety net" even if this safety net is not needed, cool.

So in your opinion I'm just claiming PLD shouldn't get buffed because I'm "hardly" trying to protect my class of choice?

Errrm, English Lesson: "hardly" means I am "not trying". Hardly is like barely. It is "almost there" but it isn't.

Another thing: I'm a good player and already have a static and I can join any static as any class because I can prove I'm good. I don't need to cry on the forums to buff my class when it's a case of gitgud. So I don't need to protect my class of choice from getting any raid spots.

As a tank, I play whatever tank is needed for my group to progress. Which is why I was a PLD for the later half of 2.5. I played PLD long enough to know that its stronger CDs are enough safety to warrant why it shouldn't do as much DPS. But here is the funny thing, PLD does good DPS if it really wants to. If you can't.... gitgud.

On a last remark, my new class of choice is "Summoner". An overpowered PLD doesn't threaten me in any way. I still think PLD shouldn't get its DPS buffed unless they give up their defenses.

Anyways, this thread is a joke and wasting anymore time here won't help fix the hive mind of people thinking PLD is junk. Who knows? Maybe SE makes the class more interesting if people complain enough.

[Ivellior]

Ok, so you agree with the guy that agrees with me that PLD shouldn't do more DPS as long as it has this "safety net" even if this safety net is not needed, cool.

For the record I don't agree with you and nothing I said matches what you are saying. Please read what I wrote.
What you are saying basically is: "Paladin is fine because it has a safety net, get good." What we are saying that defence stats are bad in the current meta and that all the extra safety the paladin has is useless (just like clemency). If safety was good people would be stacking VIT/Parry and not trying to get rid of it.
The fact that the new raids are very DRK friendly and the rest of utility the PLD brings isn't really something to write home about, only make things worse. That makes the PLD undesirable compared to other tanks. Is it impossible to clear with a paladin? No it isn't, but it isn't impossible to clear with AST too.
And since safety isn't even good when during progression where the error margins are the thinnest, that means that when people get better items and error margins and the damage difference increase Paladin will become even more irrelevant.
The tradeoff between the loss of the dps for the extra defences in the current meta and raid design is not worth it, no matter how you try to spin it. But apparently the WAR hive mind is unable to process that fact.

[NFaelivrin]

PLD 'safety' would probably work better if it was actually strong enough to allow your healers to pull off a significant extra amount of time in Cleric Stance, the issue is that it really doesn't because it's not as much better compared to the other tanks as people believe.

[Blitzace]

Not here asking for a buff/nerf what ever, Got PLD + DRK And my DRK Does higher DMG(quite a bit) So people who are claiming its only a little bit nah, Its quite more. Can't say anything about war as its only 50 atm,

And unlike alot of people i tested it in dungeons/raids not just dummy's

Keeping in mind my DRK has ATR Points into str but even if i would change that up into VIT it still does alot more DMG. Which is fine for me as PLD takes in alot more DMG

[Adrasteia]

It isn't even just raiding, really. Dungeons drag on considerably longer with a PLD over DRK/WAR because of anemic AoE/single-target damage, and the extra survivability helps even less than in a raid (unless your healer's falling asleep at the wheel).

[Ercapote]

It isn't even just raiding, really. Dungeons drag on considerably longer with a PLD over DRK/WAR because of anemic AoE/single-target damage, and the extra survivability helps even less than in a raid (unless your healer's falling asleep at the wheel).

This is sadly true, I finish dungeon faster with my darknight than with my pally. I've even been doing Ex roulette with my darknight instead of using my pally for this specific reason.

[Anger]

This is pure imbalance. Breaking it down simply.

One-hundred percent of the time the Paladin will be out damaged by Warrior and Dark Knight - if played correctly.

The Paladin cannot out-defend the other two tanks one-hundred percent of the time, though.

In other words, the other tanks have a clear advantage over the Paladin and the Paladin has zero advantages.

In almost all Savage floors it makes more sense to take the better-magic-mitigating dark knight with superior damage than a Paladin.

[NFaelivrin]

It's really funny to me that a good chunk of this thread has consisted of Warrior mains going "well tanks are balanced because you still have to bring another tank besides the mandatory WAR OT" as if somehow one class of three having a guaranteed spot while the other two compete for the same raid spot as MT is good balance. Doesn't it seem silly that not only is PLD/WAR usually not preferred over DRK/WAR, but that not a single serious raid group considers PLD/DRK remotely viable?

[Comrade_uri]

I have been reading for some time. Tbh most of this seems to be, well dumb to be honest. Numbers have flown over my head, I play this game for the enjoyment game and doing my best with it not what is the flavour of the month so to speak. I choose WAR and had to fight through the shadow left by the 2.0 version of my class when i started in march of last year i never got kicked I know healers weren't keen on me. What I am getting at is if you like it play it and bugger everyone else and if this bothers you that much complaining on here ain't going to change much. I do agree though that PLD's are not to blame and as a class they are fine, hell I'm lvling one up now and I am enjoying the change of pace. I do agree though that it is the raid designs that are causing the issue not the class. These seem to be designed to showcase the DRK so I think we should wait for the next set of raids to come out. Who knows they might favour a DRK PLD set up.