PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Adrasteia]

Are you seriously trying so hard to exaggerate the physical mitigation issue? Foresight? youserious? I mean REALLY? Foresight? Arguably the WORST CD IN THE GAME.

It's actually really good for its niche (physical damage). At ilvl190 left-side, it susses out so something like 14.1% physical damage reduction, and keeps going up as ilvl increases.

[Fue]

It's actually really good for its niche (physical damage). At ilvl190 left-side, it susses out so something like 14.1% physical damage reduction, and keeps going up as ilvl increases.

You have an extra 10% there

[Asierid]

It's actually really good for its niche (physical damage). At ilvl190 left-side, it susses out so something like 14.1% physical damage reduction, and keeps going up as ilvl increases.

So do all the other cooldowns. It is still the worst tank CD thus far. Bloodbath is even better.

[Zfz]

A thing that could help PLD's shield oath DPS (sword oath is fine) would be adjusting shield swipe to be an actual DPS gain once more, either a flat potency increase or something like "ignores the damage penalty from shield oath" since its, well, a shield attack. Using shield swipe is fun but at the moment its only occasionally viable and only used for its TP restore.

That's a nice idea. Shield Swipe really is only a TP saver for now and that's quite sad. Or maybe turn Shied Swipe into the start of a high-dps combo? Swipe -> RoH (gains its combo'ed potency and effect) -> RA (gains its combo'ed potency) -> Flash (becomes a 300 Potency AoE).

Also the only other thing both PLD and DRK need is a means to restore TP. Putting a TP restore on Tempered Will would probably be okay, and maybe letting, I dunno, Dark Arts Carve and Spit drain some TP would make it a more interesting skill than what it currently is.

I'd rather not load TP recovery into Tempered Will. If we are to load TP recover onto something, I'd rather just have it loaded onto Shied Swipe. Each Shield Swipe recovers 40TP instead of consuming TP.

[Blueskyy]

I main a drg and play pld rarely but in doing so parsing the two mt types dark and pld darks are superior like sure my pld full slaying accessory's but the dark I was parsing with was in full slaying too.

Well done, now i see why you kept on talking about DPS DPS DPS on PLD. You main a DPS. Butt hurt DRG on top of it. Who made the numbers? You dont even have a lvl60 drk and warrior. Obviously you know NOTHING about what a tank is supposed to do. Tanking is primary, DPS is secondary. PLD has the highest physical mitigation and SHOULD be used when a boss has high physical attack. DRK has the highest MAGICALmitigation and SHOULD be used when a boss has high magical attack. A warrior while lacking in mitigation has awesome DPS to make up for it, making them the best OT. This argument is getting no where since you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here's some legit DPS comparison.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mparison-Video

[Zfz]

Here's some legit DPS comparison.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mparison-Video

There are some real problems with the video besides being a dummy parse. The biggest being the PLD doesn't use RoH at all, and that it only compares dps in dps scenarios. In real tanking situations the 3 tanks probably won't be experiencing the same drop in dps.

[Billeffingmurray]

[Xenosan]

Tempered Will could have Prevents Cast Interruptions added to it - the addition of job-specific spell casting abilities for PLD makes that seem appropriate.

PLD spells works separetely from their core - interrupts combos, delays the GCD cycle, etc etc. I think that added synergy between the GCD rotation and these spells would make them feel more integrated into their kit.

Just example: If Royal Authority had an added effect that gave a short duration (or a 1-and-done buff) Spell Speed boost to the PLD . Like, a lot of Spell Speed - enough to reduce the GCD for a spell by a significant amount. Would open up Stoneskin & Clemency as fourth hits in a RA combo.

In the right scenarios SS&Clem can do a lot, there's still the MP gate PLDs need to bypass, so adding a bridge that links their GCD core to Spells could make that flavor less penalizing.

I would still trade Divine Veil for War Drum or Phalanx.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

There are some real problems with the video. . . The biggest being the PLD doesn't use RoH at all. . .

The warrior didn't use Storms Path (damage reduction), just Storms Eye (slashing debuff) because of the 20 potency loss. They were both doing non-optimal rotations as far as off tanking goes but I'm pretty sure the video was intending to show off something close to the maximum potential dps of the 3 tanking classes. There's nothing wrong with a dummy parse to show something like that.

[Phoenicia]

The biggest being the PLD doesn't use RoH at all.

Okay, the only situation PLD will OT is if the fight is magical damage based. As such, RoH isn't optimal to use at all (irrelevant in mitigation and a DPS loss).

The warrior didn't use Storms Path (damage reduction), just Storms Eye (slashing debuff) because of the 20 potency loss.

WAR wouldn't drop Storm's Eye for Storm's Path. They drop Butcher's Block for it, making it more of a 40 potency loss, not 20.

WAR didn't get esuna during pacifications, but it's not like they would get that in a raid scenario either since it is really low priority on the healers' list. Considering the length of the video, they lost 4 GCDs. I think it would hardly translate to 1% DPS loss at most. (I'm not counting the last pacification.