FC Chest just gets raded, and GMs can do nothing.

[Enkrateia]

Greetings, DarkDedede!

This thread was brought to my attention, and I am currently looking into the situation. There may have been a miscommunication on the part of the GMs about our ability to investigate, and I am making sure that this was looked into. Sufficient evidence to treat this type of behaviour as fraud can certainly be difficult to obtain; however, these types of situations are ones that GMs can look into to try to find such evidence and rectify the damage that was done.

Thank you for your patience while we look into this.

LGM Enkrateia

[Mikhaill]

Greetings, DarkDedede!

This thread was brought to my attention, and I am currently looking into the situation. There may have been a miscommunication on the part of the GMs about our ability to investigate, and I am making sure that this was looked into. Sufficient evidence to treat this type of behaviour as fraud can certainly be difficult to obtain; however, these types of situations are ones that GMs can look into to try to find such evidence and rectify the damage that was done.

Thank you for your patience while we look into this.

LGM Enkrateia

While I think this is good and all, you should count your lucky stars Enkrateia willing to look into this.
Honestly, it's the FC leaders fault. You have have the door wide open to new people to rob your stuff.

I think all he may be able to do is punish that player and that's it. I doubt any of the items stolen would get reimbursed.
I hope there were some lessons learned here.

[DarkDedede]

You have have the door wide open to new people to rob your stuff.

That much is obvious. Ranks and permissions have been modified.

However, the issue that I have been trying to highlight is that my FC isn't the only group that has the proverbial "door wide open" for this type of abuse. Whether anything happens to rectify what happened, or even if it puts things into motion to prevent the same thing from happening again, I appreciate any and all effort and consideration being devoted to this topic. The last thing we need is a group of serial scammers being able to do as they please. No good will come of that, for developer and player alike.

Why on earth did you put airship parts in the chest to begin with? Those should be entrusted to whoever is in charge of making the airship.

Because, even though I am responsible for managing the airships, the parts technically belong to the FC (not to me specifically), I wrongly assumed that the tab was protected from new members, and there is currently no summoning bell available in the FC workshop.

Now that you mention it, a summoning bell in the FC workshop would be nice.

[Galactimus]

While I think this is good and all, you should count your lucky stars Enkrateia willing to look into this. Honestly, it's the FC leaders fault. You have have the door wide open to new people to rob your stuff.

I think all he may be able to do is punish that player and that's it. I doubt any of the items stolen would get reimbursed. I hope there were some lessons learned here.

- It doesn't matter if the FC gets their items back.
- It doesn't mater what permissions were granted.
- It doesn't matter if you think the entire fault lies in the FC leader for trusting someone new.


A shared FC safe that was left wide open is only the physical half of the situation. Motive and behavior are just as important when placing blame. Teasing, bragging, admitting the crime, messing up your 'story.' So much can be found out in a quick investigation; including whether or not the items were clearly stolen out of greed. It's a GM that has the necessary information to determine whether it was the fault of the victim or the thief in question.


The whole point of this thread was to fight the fact that players that do this sort of thing seemed to have immunity to punishment. Whether or not a GM can actually do anything once the investigation is over with is a different story. However, simply having a GM respond saying that they are at least willing to look into these types of situations to protect its player base is a huge step in the right direction. It's also deterrent for those thinking about it.

[Kaedan]

The whole point of this thread was to fight the fact that players that do this sort of thing seemed to have immunity to punishment. Whether or not a GM can actually do anything once the investigation is over with is a different story. However, simply having a GM respond saying that they are at least willing to look into these types of situations to protect its player base is a huge step in the right direction. It's also deterrent for those thinking about it.

But the person didn't do anything against the rules. It wasn't technically theft because the items were open for anyone to take, not that there are any rules against in-game theft anyway.

While it wasn't really a "nice" thing to do, and the "thief" is somewhat to blame, it's actually more the FC leader's fault. He didn't set permissions, so by not doing so he effectively gave permission to take anything in there. Consider a benevolent player who takes and uses everything he has access to in the FC, since that's obstensibly what it's for. Only difference is he doesn't quit. What's your reaction then? Are you going to make him pay for everything he used? That's hardly fair, since he was given free access to it.