Speed Runs Suck

[fm_fenrir]

Just because you play a tank, does not make you the groups leader. Especially when the dps overgear the instance by about 25 item levels. You don't even need a tank.

The most experienced person should be running the group, regardless of role. If that happens to be one of the DPS filth, then that's how it's going to be. I've walked first-time tanks through experts by calling pull locations and breakpoints, and it went just as well as if I had left a pro tank to do his thing.

Also, some DPS (read: DRG) can back up a weak/undergeared tank by splitting up incoming damage. It's more healer load to have two targets to monitor, but there's considerably lower risk of everyone dying terribly from the tank blowing up under a trash pull.

[Unglitteringold]

Just today I had another experience with someone who wanted a speed run. I was healing and the tank took off without a word, pulled three groups, then died before I got protect off on the party. I apologized in chat for not being ready, and he said, "I thought you'd want a speed run. We're level synced."
Seeing an "S" by my name DOES NOT mean that I'm ready to launch into a speed run every time I step into DF. >.<

[Nadirah]

yep

slow down the entire group because you can't hit flash, abyssal drain/unleash or overpower a few times

and then of course, rattle off a few insults and leave your group for criticizing your behavior. On the next episode of Prima Donna Tank, we'll be showing you how to react to having two bards in your 4 man dungeon. Stay tuned!



+1

Because new tanks aren't outgeared ever.

Nothing like that dps blowing his load right at the start, refusing to use QS, then bitching the tank can't hold hate because he'd barely hit it once before the dps laid into it.

It's DF. You want a guaranteed speed run, go use pf.

This isn't wow. You want 5 minute dungeon runs go play that.

[PetiteMalFleur]

OP, people like big pulls because they are really easy to manage and make the dungeon go much faster. It is not hard to spam an aoe ability and hitting one button for the cd. People overthink tanking too much. It is not hard.

[Nadirah]

OP, people like big pulls because they are really easy to manage and make the dungeon go much faster. It is not hard to spam an aoe ability and hitting one button for the cd. People overthink tanking too much. It is not hard.

Then if it's not hard, YOU do it and YOU do the big pulls.

And when you don't have the DPS to kill it all before the healer's out of MP or the tank runs out of CDs.. because I've seen both of those.

Seriously. Pull your head out and just deal with the fact that not everyone likes speed runs.

[PetiteMalFleur]

Then if it's not hard, YOU do it and YOU do the big pulls.

And when you don't have the DPS to kill it all before the healer's out of MP or the tank runs out of CDs.. because I've seen both of those.

Seriously. Pull your head out and just deal with the fact that not everyone likes speed runs.

Everything dies so fast mp and cds are not an issue unless the dps are just extraordinarily bad. Even a new tank at minimum ilvl in fractal or neverreap can easily handle 2 groups at a time. That isn't an unreasonable compromise.

[Twilite]

OP, people like big pulls because they are really easy to manage and make the dungeon go much faster. It is not hard to spam an aoe ability and hitting one button for the cd. People overthink tanking too much. It is not hard.

You are speaking for yourself. As a tank, I do not like speed runs because they put the group at risk, I care more about preventing wipes than being a catalyst for them. Wipes just add more time. And overpower/flash/DRK AOE aggro skill isn't always going to be enough in HUGE pulls, this is where you gotta hope DPS is strong enough to burn them down fast. And is not always the case.

[Seryl199]

OP, people like big pulls because they are really easy to manage and make the dungeon go much faster. It is not hard to spam an aoe ability and hitting one button for the cd. People overthink tanking too much. It is not hard.

Just because a speed run is mechanically simple doesn't mean it's easy. It requires awareness, decision making, and confidence, things that experienced players acquire through exposure to various content. The OP, like plenty of others, is new, and trying to complete content in a safe manner, and getting hated. They haven't had the experience that 2.X players have, speed running level 50 dungeons and learning that confidence and decision making in a decidedly safer environment, thanks to serious overgearing.

New players don't have that luxury. Once they've reached level 50, a large portion of the community suddenly expects that tanks are able to speed run, and that's unfair. Some players are skilled enough to step up to that challenge, but a lot of players simply need time to be comfortable. They're not out to make sure no one else has fun, but demanding a speed run of someone when they aren't comfortable is a surefire way to guarantee they don't have fun, and if your tank or healer is upset or nervous, they're more likely to make mistakes resulting in a wipe. Just have a little patience and courtesy (not specifically aimed at the quoted poster), because there is a person on the other side of that character, and they're trying to enjoy their experience just as much as you are.

[Yukariko]

what is really tragic is that speed runs appear to be become mandatory.
me (drg) and my tank friend did high level roulette and got AK:hard, one of the other players said "pull all" i said "why" and my tank friend said "no" (they prefer normal pulls) this went quickly into a quite spiteful argument with both calling us "fucking idiots" for not wanting to speed run, sad thing is both other players did everything they could to then slow the run down as much as they could.
I'll admit i stopped rolling on loot as i feared they would vote kick my tank friend.
and we were sill done in 20 minutes.

Another one with me tanking, got a "big pulls" comment after only pulling the first group, to which I replied "sorry I'm not that good a tank" got a random "I believe lol" reply, or something to that effect, honestly i try my best to do quick pulls so there's rarely a gap between trash groups, anyways finished this normal run and came out with 2 comms.

[Edewen]

The entire argument is invalidated by the gating se has been putting into dungeons for the past year. 2 groups at once is not a speed run, is simply efficient. It is doable in the bare minimum gear without much risk to the group. Unless your healer is a complete idiot or dcs, there is nothing to worry about.

Fractal. On way to first boss, you can ONLY get 2 packs at a time. On way to 2nd, the packs are too far spread to bother. On way to third you can only do one at a time.
Neverreap. On way to first boss, again only 2 packs. On way to 2nd, bees. On way to third, more bees.

Until a dungeon comes out again that is actually not designed to block speed runs, this thread is pointless whine about older content.