The one consistent critic on Heavensward is "too much like ARR"? srsly?

[Hyrist]

no, we don't want Limbus, we don't want Dynamis, we don't want Beseiged.

we want something that's not Expert Dungeon, 8 Man Trial, Hunts and FATEs. that's about it.

what do we want? doesn't matter as long as it's meaningful and fairly repeatable.

I'm all for expanding endgame. But we already have systems in place that would make due for that.

Sorry, but if there was a Hunt, that was on the level of a Raid, and dropped equivalent gear, I'd be all over that. That's both Hunt Marks and Treasure Hunts.

I'm all for expanding endgame in a meaningful way that provides and alternative-but-equivalent progression. However. We are a vertical progression MMO, and to achieve that goal we're going to have to produce something both sustainable, AND recognize that there's a limit to how WIDE a vertical progression MMO can be without physically killing our Devs.

Also, as a general gripe, comparing endgame on a horizontal endgame MMO ,like FFXI, to this one just loses all respect from me. As I said before, there are so many logical failings there that it just displays a complete lack of understanding in both game design and development to try to make parallels seriously.

[Ayanno]

Also, as a general gripe, comparing endgame on a horizontal endgame MMO ,like FFXI, to this one just loses all respect from me. As I said before, there are so many logical failings there that it just displays a complete lack of understanding in both game design and development to try to make parallels seriously.

We posted replies at the same time, so I'll respond to this seperatly:

I am not comparing a vertical MMO to a horizontal one. No, don't click reply yet, just a sec. What I am comparing is the variety in the content provided. Just because this is a vertical MMO does not mean every raid has to follow the same format as the one before it. Just because this is a vertical MMO does not mean every Tomestone daily must follow the same 2-3 dungeon format as what came before.

You can have a vertical MMO and provide a variety in content. 3.0 didn't even try. They took everything, good and bad, that was in ARR, slapped a new coat of paint on it, and called it a day. That is the issue myself, and many others, have.

Also, Hyrist, please don't think I am attacking you personally, as that is not my intent. I am merely trying to have a discussion about the current state of the game. Nothing more.

[SendohJin]

I'm all for expanding endgame. But we already have systems in place that would make due for that.

Sorry, but if there was a Hunt, that was on the level of a Raid, and dropped equivalent gear, I'd be all over that. That's both Hunt Marks and Treasure Hunts.

Also, as a general gripe, comparing endgame on a horizontal endgame MMO ,like FFXI, to this one just loses all respect from me.

what the hell do you keep talking about "endgame" for. Treasure Maps aren't endgame, Beastmen Dailies aren't endgame. ENMs, Campaign, Beseiged aren't endgame. they're just other things to do that's different.

make an event out of Grade V Materia instead of spiritbond. it's as simple as that or the flying race thing i mentioned. let that be an alternative to getting Purified Coke or whatever those other insane red scrip craft mats are.

they didn't even need to put Accessories in Alex Normal, like there are no weapons. Alex Normal could've been armor only and i190 Accessories came from elsewhere.