The one consistent critic on Heavensward is "too much like ARR"? srsly?

[Kyant]

An expansion should bring a new form of endgame. ARR endgame is simply raiding instanced 8 man dungeons. HW endgame should've been something different, such as raid difficulty 24 man dungeon or made something like treasure maps the endgame (having to farm some kind of pop item which starts a difficult overworld encounter that needs a full party or alliance to complete (and is a duty so others cant help).

[Eekiki]

No.




Also no.

You haven't convinced me.

[Hyrist]

Hyrist, I want you to sit there with a straight face and tell me Sky is the same thing as Nyzul Isle. No, really, tell me the two forms of endgame were the same.

I never did. But if you're going to make that kind of argument. Tell me you CAN'T draw Parallels from Sky to Sea. From Dynamis to Einherjar to Walk of Echoes. From Beseiged to Campaign.

Now, I want you to sit there with a straight face and tell me Alexander (Savage) is in anyway different then Binding Coil of Bahamut, other then name/fresh paint.

When did you ever ride a mount in First Coil? Just asking.

Can't to either one? B-I-N-G-O, that is the problem.

You're the one making false comparisons here.

No, the problem is you're comparing a 13 year old game to a 2 year old one without considering the timeline for each.

Where the hell was Nyzule Isle in Rize of the Zilart. Was it there, No?

Then why are you expecting it in FFXIV's FIRST expansion?

You know what you did in RotZ? You did Sky. Maybe Dynamis in the later end of the Expansion on that. After that?.... *crickets* Rotate Dynamis runs maybe? How is that any different than rotating Coil or Alex runs. (Oh wait, you had to pay a million gil each time for an hourglass! There's the difference. Oh, and you had to wait in line for horrible droprates for 2 years)

No, you had to wait 4 years for your weekly schedule you just gave me, (if you played from JP release). We've not even hit the second anniversary of ARR. Try again.

An expansion should bring a new form of endgame. ARR endgame is simply raiding instanced 8 man dungeons. HW endgame should've been something different, such as raid difficulty 24 man dungeon or made something like treasure maps the endgame (having to farm some kind of pop item which starts a difficult overworld encounter that needs a full party or alliance to complete (and is a duty so others cant help).

That's your expectation and you can say that. But we're just in the expansion release adn they have the entire timeframe between how and the next expansion to meet that expectation. We were told, flat out, that we had the content on the level of a single player release game with the release of Heavensward, and that's what we got. And the question I posed five times already without an answer still remains: How are you going to expect them to keep up a new Endgame system in a Vertical Progression MMO? Or do you drop some?

[Arixtotle]

An expansion should bring a new form of endgame. ARR endgame is simply raiding instanced 8 man dungeons. HW endgame should've been something different, such as raid difficulty 24 man dungeon or made something like treasure maps the endgame (having to farm some kind of pop item which starts a difficult overworld encounter that needs a full party or alliance to complete (and is a duty so others cant help).

No MMO has ever changed endgame with a new expansion. MMOs ALWAYS have raiding/dungeon endgame.

PS. There's actually a lot of different endgame in FFXIV. It just depends on how you define endgame.

[Kallera]

You haven't convinced me.

While i like certain aspects of ffxi, i've mainly wanted new experiences entirely, or some events from 1.0 that i feel can be reimplemented. People either want new activities, or prior unaddressed concerns from 2.0 dealt with,both of which aren't addressed with"more of the same".

[Bishop81]

No MMO has ever changed endgame with a new expansion. MMOs ALWAYS have raiding/dungeon endgame.

PS. There's actually a lot of different endgame in FFXIV. It just depends on how you define endgame.

Wow. Fastest 180 ever.

SE could change/expand up the end-game later in the expansion but to do it at the start is a bad idea.

Your team is already in crunch mode pushing out a massive amount of content, expanding the size of the game world, experimenting with new gameplay features will just create more stress as it's inevitable there will be hiccups with implementation.

[Zari]

Some people here seem to assume they wont add new things into HW before the next expansion

They are going to have major patches for HW between the HW release and the next expansion and I can definitely see them easing it into really new stuff during this time rather than everything right at once at the beginning of HW. That doesnt really seem to be how they do things with this game

[SendohJin]

wait wait wait wait....

So, all the ppl complaining that Heavensward is "more of the same" are FFXI players complaining that FFXIV is not more like FFXI?
Is that it?

no, we don't want Limbus, we don't want Dynamis, we don't want Beseiged.

we want something that's not Expert Dungeon, 8 Man Trial, Hunts and FATEs. that's about it.

what do we want? doesn't matter as long as it's meaningful and fairly repeatable.

[Seryl199]

Some people here seem to assume they wont add new things into HW before the next expansion

They are going to have major patches for HW between the HW release and the next expansion and I can definitely see them easing it into really new stuff during this time rather than everything right at once at the beginning of HW. That doesnt really seem to be how they do things with this game

I'm sure no one's doubting that, but an expansion has just dropped, and some people feel that some of its elements are already stale, due to being extremely similar to 2.X conventions. Regardless of what they add in the future, what we got in 3.0-3.5 is what we get until 3.1. While I can understand they don't want to needlessly complicate things while dropping an expac, I don't want to feel like I'm on the same treadmill I was on before. The Heavensward story was great, the highlight of 3.0 for me, but as soon as I finished it, it was like "Whelp, back to dailies," I rolled up my sleeves and grinded some tomestones for a generic Miqo'te standing near Rowena.

[SendohJin]

In the same way that some people complain that ice cream is cold, yes.

we're complaining that this ice cream shop only has Vanilla, Chocolate and Strawberry. while they are good flavors, it doesn't hurt to also have Mint Chocolate Chip and Rocky Road. and if you want to go real crazy, you can put sprinkles or even whipped cream on the ice cream, maybe even put the ice cream with a banana. wild right?