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  1. #11
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    sirDarts's Avatar
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Shori View Post
    With respect, you've missed the point. OP and other casters want to be able to heal themselves (or their pets) outside of dungeons, or in PvP if the healer is down.
    I think with SMN especially theyve realy broken physick. Its already kinda weak for a SCH (compared to WHM) so even more useless for their pet. Sustain isnt always enough.
    In singleplayer content you don't really need to heal yourself as SMN, if stuff is hitting too hard, you just use Titan Egi.
    In PvP no idea, I have not touched PvP in this game.

    As for SCH Physick it's powerful enough O.o, it has the same potency as Cure, I see no issue with that.
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  2. #12
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    Coralie Moonseeker
    World
    Belias
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    They should make Physick heals over 800-1000 HP for summoner or other class that can use it. It's not much but on a pinch, this could make a big difference between wiping or giving healer a few precious seconds to top your HP in case of emergency.
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  3. #13
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    Nazreen Eby
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Shori View Post
    I think with SMN especially theyve realy broken physick. Its already kinda weak for a SCH (compared to WHM) so even more useless for their pet. Sustain isnt always enough.
    The real thing that is broke that pets don't auto-heal pets. So you can cleric stance a dungeon on scholar relying on your fairy but if any pets they will be left to die and you also don't have them in your grouplist to see the low HP right away. Fairy not healing Egi unless you order her to for every single heal is really an annoyment in egi-tanked dungeon runs.
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  4. #14
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    LineageRazor's Avatar
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    Lineage Razor
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 90
    I was wondering if Casters were going to start running into this problem. PLD got shafted on heals right from the start; they could cross-class Cure, but due to low mind and no magic damage value on their weapon, it became worthless very early on. I was saddened by this, as I felt that casting curative spells was a central facet of the Paladin job throughout most of its appearances in other Final Fantasy games.

    Casters were able to continue using curative spells competently a while longer. While they, like PLD, typically have low mind, the magic damage on the weapon did a lot to make up for that deficiency, as did the Maim and Mend class traits. At higher levels, though, it seems those are doing less and less to bridge the mind gap.

    It could be argued that casters should focus on DPS, but SMN, at least, needs to be able to maintain their Egi as well, and for that they need cures of sufficient potency. SE will likely do something about this at some point, but I have no idea what...
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  5. #15
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    technole's Avatar
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    Character
    Thea Sitori
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 72
    Physick scales with MND and SMN doesn't stack that stat, mainly INT to do you know, damage.

    If you want potent Physick you should be playing SCH and switching those stats back to MND.
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  6. #16
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Diabolos
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    Lancer Lv 60


    No but really the difference in mind to int has only gotten larger with levels and gear. Physicks should only have niche uses on SMN and even then there are pet heals already built into the class if those do not work well then maybe talk about those getting fixed. If not then the problem is probably getting gud.
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  7. #17
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    Character
    Natashi Tamaruo
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 63
    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    You are a caster, a DD, you are not supposed to heal yourself!
    Let us healers do our job, and focus on your job, then we won't need more "Should healers DPS?" threads.
    Let me count the number of times I saved a party because I threw physicks around to help out the healer in dire situations... Well..jeez.. I can't cause I don't have enough fingers on both hands to keep track of the count.

    Seems to me a lot of people in this game jump on the bandwagon that thinks, that when ever players find creative ways to use their job abilities that apparently aren't appropriate for their current job..it must be frown upon.
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    Last edited by Natashio; 07-28-2015 at 12:21 AM.

  8. #18
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    Cabalabob's Avatar
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 90
    Not only does physick need a buff so does cure. At 50 physick on Blm and smn was decentish, and if a healer d/c'ed they could throw on some mind accessories and pull off 1k crit physicks which wasn't bad. At 60 it's still ok but it hasn't scaled as well as it did at 50. But cure on PLD was already worthless at 50. Now at 60, drop in the bucket... Like it cures maybe 300 of your 17k hp!!! I know we have clemency now but it would still be nice to have our cross classes stay relevant. So I'm all for scaling adjustments on these moves.
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    You could make a game where all you did was run through fields of flowers holding hands and you'd still get a guy telling you you're doing it wrong.

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    Everyone knows you skip through fields of flowers holding hands, running noobs need to go back to WoW.

  9. #19
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    Character
    Sakura Yukimoto
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    You know, back before 3.0, I recall myself saying that Summoner and Scholar really needed to be their own thing and that SquareEnix would be forced eventually to go back and take a long, hard look at the Classes and Jobs and decide what was essential and what was fluff. That didn't happen, but these little problems that many Jobs are suffering from aren't going to get better with time, they're only going to get worse. There are abilities that went unused in A Realm Reborn, and those same abilities are seeing even less use now along with abilities both old and new also going unused. Physick is just another victim in a long line of abilities which include things like Tri-Bind, Fluid Aura, Shadowbind, Feint, Haymaker, and a whole slew of terrible cross-classes for every Job. To be completely straightforward, moving forward for this game is going to mean trimming the fat, which may mean we see a lot of cooldowns go the way of the Dodo (the real life one) in favor of more elegant design and fewer abilities and cooldowns in general.
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    Last edited by MiniPrinny; 07-28-2015 at 12:35 AM. Reason: 1000 characters is too few. Can it be 10,000, please?

  10. #20
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    Character
    Xyno Edajos
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Casters just want a decent self heal for when healers are down to busy. Many of the physical classes get it via second wind, so why cant casters?
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