Physick is too weak for lvl 60 casters?

[sirDarts]

You are a caster, a DD, you are not supposed to heal yourself!
Let us healers do our job, and focus on your job, then we won't need more "Should healers DPS?" threads.

[Shori]

You are a caster, a DD, you are not supposed to heal yourself!
Let us healers do our job, and focus on your job, then we won't need more "Should healers DPS?" threads.

With respect, you've missed the point. OP and other casters want to be able to heal themselves (or their pets) outside of dungeons, or in PvP if the healer is down.
I think with SMN especially theyve realy broken physick. Its already kinda weak for a SCH (compared to WHM) so even more useless for their pet. Sustain isnt always enough.

[sirDarts]

With respect, you've missed the point. OP and other casters want to be able to heal themselves (or their pets) outside of dungeons, or in PvP if the healer is down.
I think with SMN especially theyve realy broken physick. Its already kinda weak for a SCH (compared to WHM) so even more useless for their pet. Sustain isnt always enough.

In singleplayer content you don't really need to heal yourself as SMN, if stuff is hitting too hard, you just use Titan Egi.
In PvP no idea, I have not touched PvP in this game.

As for SCH Physick it's powerful enough O.o, it has the same potency as Cure, I see no issue with that.

[Werhusky]

I think with SMN especially theyve realy broken physick. Its already kinda weak for a SCH (compared to WHM) so even more useless for their pet. Sustain isnt always enough.

The real thing that is broke that pets don't auto-heal pets. So you can cleric stance a dungeon on scholar relying on your fairy but if any pets they will be left to die and you also don't have them in your grouplist to see the low HP right away. Fairy not healing Egi unless you order her to for every single heal is really an annoyment in egi-tanked dungeon runs.

[Natashio]

You are a caster, a DD, you are not supposed to heal yourself!
Let us healers do our job, and focus on your job, then we won't need more "Should healers DPS?" threads.

Let me count the number of times I saved a party because I threw physicks around to help out the healer in dire situations... Well..jeez.. I can't cause I don't have enough fingers on both hands to keep track of the count.

Seems to me a lot of people in this game jump on the bandwagon that thinks, that when ever players find creative ways to use their job abilities that apparently aren't appropriate for their current job..it must be frown upon.

[Buff_Archer]

Let me count the number of times I saved a party because I threw physicks around to help out the healer in dire situations... Well..jeez.. I can't cause I don't have enough fingers on both hands to keep track of the count.

Seems to me a lot of people in this game jump on the bandwagon that thinks, that when ever players find creative ways to use their job abilities that apparently aren't appropriate for their current job..it must be frown upon.

Yeah just the other day in a High Level Roulette dungeon from ARR, healer ate an AOE, I revived them as SMN and kept the tank up long enough for the healer to take back over. We pulled it off and I got three comms for it. Would it be better to say 'No, because the healer screwed up and died we all should have paid the penalty for that and wiped and had to start over?'. Maybe for those who like 100% scripted, by the book, only one way to do it- everything.

Plus my DOT's were at work on the main target and so was my pet so this came at the cost of just a few Ruin casts, it wasn't like taking a DPS out of the equation.

[Welsper59]

Let me count the number of times I saved a party because I threw physicks around to help out the healer in dire situations... Well..jeez.. I can't cause I don't have enough fingers on both hands to keep track of the count.

Seems to me a lot of people in this game jump on the bandwagon that thinks, that when ever players find creative ways to use their job abilities that apparently aren't appropriate for their current job..it must be frown upon.

Brings to mind the amount of hate NIN receives now for bringing up their unintended ability to blink tank in FFXI. The healing thing is a bit tricky though, compared to that.

Generally speaking, you don't want to have some sort of DPS class/job that can literally take over a different crucial role (healing in this case). Remember what happened with Titan-egi tanking Ramuh? Even for small-time content like 4-man dungeons at lv60, you probably don't want to overpower a job to the extent that it can go both ways with ease. It's one thing to be able to simply help (see the non-existent support role), but it's another to allow this helping capability to get out of hand. It's something they probably want to be more apparent in having Physick be weak for anyone not fit to fill a healing role. Think of it like BRD not having the healing LB anymore. I've saved 4/8/24-man content many times with it. Doesn't necessarily mean we needed it though.

Plus, buffing Physick on a base level might be a bit much for anything under 60 lol. It'd be another story if they could scale it based on level, but your stats are what determines that with this game. Seeing as how you likely have zero extra MND as a SMN, it's not surprising that the output is weak in the face of such a huge HP increase.

[Malevicton]

Let me count the number of times I saved a party because I threw physicks around to help out the healer in dire situations... Well..jeez.. I can't cause I don't have enough fingers on both hands to keep track of the count.

Seems to me a lot of people in this game jump on the bandwagon that thinks, that when ever players find creative ways to use their job abilities that apparently aren't appropriate for their current job..it must be frown upon.

Really? No offense, but I'm doubtful. I can heal for about 400-500 at lvl 60. That's like a quarter of a dungeon boss' autoattack.

I don't doubt that you threw out some heals at dire times and got through it, but I think you might be overestimating how much of that was because of your 445 physick.

Edit: Unrelated note, why does everyone in this thread seem to be under the impression casters heal for 1k? We heal for about half of that. I'm not convinced that many of you have any idea what you're talking about.

[Buff_Archer]

Really? No offense, but I'm doubtful. I can heal for about 400-500 at lvl 60. That's like a quarter of a dungeon boss' autoattack.

I don't doubt that you threw out some heals at dire times and got through it, but I think you might be overestimating how much of that was because of your 445 physick.

Edit: Unrelated note, why does everyone in this thread seem to be under the impression casters heal for 1k? We heal for about half of that. I'm not convinced that many of you have any idea what you're talking about.

The way I interpreted their post was in reference to their pre-HW SMN career and in any content <= lvl 50 that's before the usefulness of Physick really starts to drop off.

[Averax]

You are a caster, a DD, you are not supposed to heal yourself!
Let us healers do our job, and focus on your job, then we won't need more "Should healers DPS?" threads.

This is about out in the world when you're on your own.

We're basically glass cannons out there, and Physick helps.