Parsers make you stupid

[Assirra]

I just think we already have the damn things, no need to incorporate them into the base game.

It's an advanced tool. We don't *need* it. The same exact people that feel they need it will go get it. On a console? No problem. Get someone on pc to help with it.

The problem that people have with the current situation is that they are "illigal" which actually attracts more elitist jerks and dumbasses then allowing it straight up.

But when you look around, people are openly discussing the topic and their dps and none of it gets censored so SE is fine with it as long as you don't act like an ass.

[Nadirah]

That is because most mmo's support addons in some form that does that.

So far they kept saying addons will come so it is just a matter of time before one is more widespread.

EQ2 supports addons but not meters like Skada or Recount, which are what people think of when you say "parser".

ACT, the same one used here, was originally developed for EQ2, and its the same one still used there.

You don't need to support addons *and* in game meters.

[Nadirah]

The problem that people have with the current situation is that they are "illigal" which actually attracts more elitist jerks and dumbasses then allowing it straight up.

There's that word again. This isn't law. There is nothing, semantically speaking, "illegal" about it.

Wish people would stop referring to using a program that reads numbers out of a text file and shats them out in table format to criminal activity. You aren't going to jail over it, and they're not using Warden, so there's no way to tell its running. It doesn't modify game data or alter play. I think someone read "third party program" and failed to read the rest of the clause.

[Assirra]

There's that word again. This isn't law. There is nothing, semantically speaking, "illegal" about it.

Wish people would stop referring to using a program that reads numbers out of a text file and shats them out in table format to criminal activity. You aren't going to jail over it, and they're not using Warden, so there's no way to tell its running. It doesn't modify game data or alter play. I think someone read "third party program" and failed to read the rest of the clause.

Sigh, were the quote symbols not enough of a hint it was not meant to be taken literal?

The point is that until they openly say they are fine with it, it's technically still against the rules which does hold some people back.

[Jim_Berry]

I remember about a year ago when I was in a group. The BLM mentioned he was going to parse us. The group quickly fell from 8 to 3 people lol...

I personally dislike parsers because I'm about survival. However, I now understand why people use them; I hear Heavensward content is mostly DPS checks. Many people say that parsing makes the person play their job better. I honestly think it does not.

The way I see it, when you throw a parser at someone, they feel a certain way in that they HAVE to dish out a lot of damage. The con to this is that they tend to ignore, forget, or not pay attention to mechanics. A person who is NOT under the influence of a parser may deal less damage but s/he is usually one less person that the healer need to worry about.

*EDIT*
DC Universe has an in-gamer parser via the scoreboard. That thing makes all the wolves come out when there's fresh bait.

[Verius_Nox]

I play monk. Lately in A4 I am trash talked for being low in DPS. Notes for A4 say do not get close to others due to splash damage, that slows me down. Run away from the leg to get the giant flowing balls, one, two balls because I changed to Fists of Earth (oh no the monk is in fists of earth let's trash her), sometimes 3 balls or not oops I'm dead. Yet you, parsing tank are still on the leg wailing away. Then the dolls, oops gotta stop and go save the clerics cause you, the parser buddy of the tank have got to keep that DPS up for your parser. Then of course time for the ride down the tube. It's not about DPS it's about mechanics. Probably why we wipe.

Why not.. Make a cross server blacklist. Make a blacklist that works in the group. Make a mute function so people do not have to listen to being trashed.

I watched a video with Yoshi talking about parsers and saying "We are all adults here" well, NO we are not ALL adults. Even the adults aren't adults.

And if he didn't have a parser, he'd probably still trash talk. "Oh look at this dumb monk in Fist of Earth. We died because dps sucks, probably this monk running around and taking too much damage."

You can't stop stupid from being stupid. Parsers have nothing to do with this.

[Alise]

Depend on situation.. For normal mode, or the case like you, I don't think anybody should care about dps there. It is just silly, easy content.

On Fraust of Savage mode, it is simple main stream dps check. and you always end up at the situation where dps is not enough. If you don't know who is making lower dps than standard, then you don't know who to tell him to improve? Hell, actually even that person himself never realize that he is doing low dps also, because he simply never know his own number, and never compare his number with anybody!

(This problem would be solves if just like somebody here says that they should implement parse program that only allow owner to watch his own dps, so that there will be no dps who never know himself that he is doing so bad, and unable to improve because he doesn't realize.)

[Kikoten]

I don't need no stinkin' parser! If me and my team are standing, and the enemy isn't, our DPS is a-ok!

...Parsers do sound interesting. I'd like to measure my own DPS output as a WHM.

[Fynlar]

While I agree that ragging on ANYONE'S damage in faceroll content like A4 normal is idiotic,

I encounter tons of failure in Alex normal and the biggest identifiable cause of failure most of the time is lack of damage output. So no, I don't think being critical of the party's output is quite that idiotic.

[Gyson]

You have a fight in which all the DPSes should be doing at least 1k dps in order to kill the boss. One of them is doing 800dps. Nobody can see each other's result, then they start comparing numbers, the person with low DPS most likely will not admit it (let's be realistic here!). Maybe the player with low DPS is having just a silly problem with his rotation that someone else in the group could help him with, but he don't feel like he should be scrutinized by his peers due his low dmg, therefore he silence. But he has no idea how to improve, if he knew he wouldn't be doing such low dmg to begin with and since nobody else has access to the group's real number the group as a whole will fail, they won't kill the boss, will disband. Now, who's benefiting from personal parsers whose results only the the owner can see?

In that case your group is out of luck. I'm sorry, but the developers are never going to allow parsers if they can be used to criticize the performance of others, no matter how many "would be useful for this" scenarios anyone can come up with.

A personal in-game DPS meter that shows you and you alone how you're doing (and not anyone else) is the best we can ever hope to receive *because it doesn't open up anyone to abuse*. Again, we do not need to see what the DPS of anyone else is.. not because there aren't legitimate reasons for it, but because players can not be trusted to be mature with that information.