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  1. #241
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    Gyson's Avatar
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    Gyson Kincaid
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayanno View Post
    Ugh, really? This is simple people: STR/Hybrid tanks increase the team's damage output. What happens when you increase the team's damage output? The mob/boss dies faster! What does this mean? It means that the tanks standing there getting their faces smashed in take less damage over the course of the fight! Or, to use the word all the Full-VIT folks keep say: "mitigating damage". Huh. Imagine that! The best way to mitigate damage the tanks are taking is to kill the mob faster to stop it from smashing in the faces of your tanks!
    Except none of this matters unless you're running into a problem with enrage timers or failing because the group is running out of resources (both of which would be a DPS-role failure, by the way.. not a tank-DPS issue, as battles aren't tuned towards tanks putting out extraordinary amounts of damage). So long as things are progressing smoothly it really doesn't matter if the boss dies now or 30-60 seconds later outside of satisfying some groups lack of patience.

    And should things hit the fan for some reason, usually it's better to have a tank with extra health on your side rather than a tank putting out a little extra damage.
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  2. #242
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    Nektulos-Tuor's Avatar
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Relevant Content probably requires even more of a DPS check, thus more need for strength! 8'3
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  3. #243
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    Eye_Gore's Avatar
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    Yolanda Freebush
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    Malboro
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Using the in game battle tab to see the numbers, not that really gives a good idea just a hint. But I'm running 3 STR acc. With the combo hits its clearing 800 no problem, even on Royal Authority is non-crit for over 1k damage, how much more DPS do I really need?
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  4. #244
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    Ecks007's Avatar
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    Ecks Grimoirath
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 90
    STR or VIT

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  5. #245
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    Nektulos-Tuor's Avatar
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Honestly. Remove Parry/Secondary stats on Tank Gear and just make it Vitality/Strength.
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  6. #246
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    Arkanethered's Avatar
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    Arkanethered Asura
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    So many turtle tank crybabys.... This is so remnant of the whm dps threads months ago, you know the ones where players wanted to be cookie cutter and not have someone be considered better because they expanded the role by dpsing?

    But as it stands... Tank is really the only role where you can adjust your stats and not brainlessly stack them all in your "main" stat... Personally I like that. It's nice to have a job that you can situationaly gear for. It adds more flavor to this game.

    I wish other classes offered the same versatility with primary stats.


    Interestingly enough the way for SE to "fix" this would be to just make Vit the modifier to all pld/drk/war abilities and remove the str mod... Only way both sides would be happy..
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  7. #247
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    Irvy Ryath
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 85
    Quote Originally Posted by SirTaint View Post
    I didn't touch a VIT build until T13. I'd suspect the same will be true in Alexander.
    Maybe you didn't do content before being overgeared for said content (or you had echo on or you were offtanking).

    I usually go full vit on my paladin (for maintanking progression content) and full str for my war (for offtanking).
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    Last edited by Stanelis; 07-20-2015 at 03:58 AM.

  8. #248
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Atomos
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrial View Post
    I think you're a little confused by the actual meaning of this term considering mitigation comes into play to determine eHP. It has absolutely nothing to do with hitting the max available HP at any given time. Plenty of old discussions on this topic, use the search function if you'd like to go read them and brush up.
    Mitigation practically don't change between STR and VIT builds except when you downgrade your LHS armor. So VIT builds have higher eHP. If you would like to point out a mistake, point out exactly what the mistake is instead of "go look it up".
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    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  9. #249
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    reality_check's Avatar
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    Jesse Branford
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Mitigation practically don't change between STR and VIT builds except when you downgrade your LHS armor. So VIT builds have higher eHP. If you would like to point out a mistake, point out exactly what the mistake is instead of "go look it up".
    A well timed clemency with a strength build provides more mitigation from tank busters than a vitality build.
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  10. #250
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Just did a raid with my Tank, the other tank was all Vit, I was all Str.

    Needless to say, he couldn't pull aggro off me and we wiped multiple times. We eventually did it, but I had to literally stop attacking.

    He also cept letting the DPS rip and die.
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