Strength Tanks and You.

[Noxifer]

That's as a WAR, I have seen full VIT PLDs and DRKs who do nothing but their standard enmity combo who barely break 400.

Yes, of course =) But the theoretical increase in DPS should be approximately the same -- percentage wise, that is. So if a full VIT PLD does 450 dps, he should do approximately 600 dps in full strength (~33%)

I questioned the other tanks comparison since he compared not only different tank jobs (IIRC) but also different players, which pretty much removes any sort of relevance to the comparison. Going from VIT to STR doesn't mean you automatically 'git gud', after all. You'll still be at the same level of proficiency that you were before.

[Catwho]

Here is a handy dandy guide to whether you should be in STR or VIT, in my relic WAR opinion:

1. Are you level 60 yet? No? STOP. You don't get to go all STR when you're still leveling, no matter how good your gear, because syncing will screw you over at both low and higher levels.
2. Now that you are 60, is your left side gear at least 170+? If not, STOP. Upgrade to Law gear fully on the left before you start tossing STR on the right.
3. Are you in a static, or at least run with a regular group of people you know and trust?
- No? Have both a STR set and a VIT set ready to go in case your healers are bad in Duty Finder.
- Yes? STR your heart out. This is the reason STR tanking became a thing.

[Lux_Rayna]

Vit until you don't die, and then str

I hope it didn't take 26 pages to get to something so obvious. This whole argument is ridiculous because all tank gear features a combination of VIT and STR. I fail to see how a STR vs VIT argument can possibly exist when both stats are primary for the job. VIT increases your group's survivability and mana efficiency (less overheal), while STR increases you're group's overall DPS and TP efficiency (DPS don't have to push as hard). The optimal combination depends exclusively on the tank's playstyle and party composition. The only way to screw it up is to have no STR or no VIT, which is effectively impossible due to class restrictions on gear.

If we want an actual conversation about tank stats, why not discuss secondaries? That would be far more interesting than this silliness.

[JustaBard]

Str tanks aren't bad. What are bad are str tanks that pull the entire room, dont pop any CD at all and die in 2 seconds. Funny stuff.

[Kirana]

VIT: Allows tank to take larger individual hit. Give healers slightly more time sometimes. Does *NOT* allow the healers to heal less; that requires mitigation which VIT is not.

STR: Increases DPS and Enmity. Allows phases to be pushed faster and fights to end sooner in general. Increases tank's self-healing, thus allowing healers to heal slightly less.

If you have more VIT than is necessary to survive all mechanics, any additional vit is a complete waste. Get STR or you are bad.

[Ronyx]

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong. I've solo healed everything in HW except for A4 and have actually had time and MP to help DPS on some of them like Ravana ex and A1-3. If you have two healers and neither of them are using downtime to DPS then they're slacking terribly and absolutely need to play better. The lack of accuracy is absolutely not an excuse to sit and do nothing when there's no healing required.

Well if you want to waste MP and time with probably a 50% chance to hit do it. Anyhow Alexander is still fairly easy because is normal mode, but I'm sure in Savage you wont have time to trying to DPS as a healer. Also enemies should have higher stats so you will miss your spells even more.

[Lux_Rayna]

Get STR or you are bad.

All tanks have STR. Next.

[Ronyx]

• If you need the tank VIT to survive current content, your healers fail. If you need the tank dps to clear current content, your DPSx4 all fail. (BTW you never fail as you are always right and it's always someone else's fault.)

Haha Good one. Yeah if the 4! DPS are doing their job then there is no need for a tank or a healer to DPS. This game is mostly about DPS check fight so with 4 good DPS theres no need to other roles to try to compensate for them.

[MisterLucie]

Well if you want to waste MP and time with probably a 50% chance to hit do it. Anyhow Alexander is still fairly easy because is normal mode, but I'm sure in Savage you wont have time to trying to DPS as a healer. Also enemies should have higher stats so you will miss your spells even more.

Where in the world did you get 50% from? It's more like 5% chance to miss, if even that. The amount of times I miss even without accuracy is pretty negligible. Please don't just make up random numbers and then try to give advice based on them.

[OPneedNerfs]

It's nice to see the EN community has devolved this much as to compensate bad DPS players with tank dps.

Times like these I'm glad to be playing with JP players.