Strength Tanks and You.

[MisterLucie]

Haha well I recently changed my Vit stats point to Str because now those 35 Vit are just 717 HP. Back in Lv50 yah that could be a difference but not now at Lv60 when you can have over 16k HP. Now about accessories there should be a balance or use Slaying or Fending acc overmelded, but having ALL slaying acc for Raids hmm its might be pushing it too hard, for normla dungeons its ok. Oh and about healer SHOULD ONLY heal in raid such as Alexander... SE took their accuracy so that they dont do such, so please dont waste time, MP trying to DPS something you most likely MISS, for normal dungeons do it if you like.

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong. I've solo healed everything in HW except for A4 and have actually had time and MP to help DPS on some of them like Ravana ex and A1-3. If you have two healers and neither of them are using downtime to DPS then they're slacking terribly and absolutely need to play better. The lack of accuracy is absolutely not an excuse to sit and do nothing when there's no healing required.

[TruebladeNuke]

Soooooo.... the "fun" never ends I see.

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*Grabs popcorn, knowing for fact that nothing anyone says will ever calm this argument*

[Atmora]

That's just not true at all. You're forgetting about overhealing/crits/regens/shields. THAT makes a big difference. So many heals are wasted due to crits. Or when the SCH has a shield on the tank and my regen ticks heal the tank to full and are thereafter wasted. If the tanks HP could be let dropped much lower, these problems wouldn't happen. It's a healers job to heal, but these tanks seem to have forgotten that mitigation is a part of theirs - since the beginning of MMOs.

You literally just said tanks should get more hp because your bad at optimizing your healing.

[GalkaBikini]

You literally just said tanks should get more hp because your bad at optimizing your healing.

It is more about the DPS and less about the healing, but okay.

[Ayanno]

Ugh, really? This is simple people: STR/Hybrid tanks increase the team's damage output. What happens when you increase the team's damage output? The mob/boss dies faster! What does this mean? It means that the tanks standing there getting their faces smashed in take less damage over the course of the fight! Or, to use the word all the Full-VIT folks keep say: "mitigating damage". Huh. Imagine that! The best way to mitigate damage the tanks are taking is to kill the mob faster to stop it from smashing in the faces of your tanks!

I'm waiting for someone to come in with a video to prove this, with numbers to boot. Do a fight in HW, either Rav/Bis or Alex, go in one time with Full VIT tanks, and report back how long the fight took, ad how much total damage the tanks too over the course of the fight. The redo the same fight, with the same jobs/people, but have a Hybrid MT, and full STR OT, and compare them.

Maybe that will enlighten some folks. Probably not though.

1k character limit needs to go, SE. Seriously.

[Stanelis]

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong. I've solo healed everything in HW except for A4 and have actually had time and MP to help DPS on some of them like Ravana ex and A1-3. If you have two healers and neither of them are using downtime to DPS then they're slacking terribly and absolutely need to play better. The lack of accuracy is absolutely not an excuse to sit and do nothing when there's no healing required.

Please, the relevant content of heavensward isn't here yet (alexander savage). Anything below that (in heavensward) is ridiculously easy as a tank.

Ugh, really? This is simple people: STR/Hybrid tanks increase the team's damage output. What happens when you increase the team's damage output? The mob/boss dies faster! What does this mean? It means that the tanks standing there getting their faces smashed in take less damage over the course of the fight! Or, to use the word all the Full-VIT folks keep say: "mitigating damage". Huh. Imagine that! The best way to mitigate damage the tanks are taking is to kill the mob faster to stop it from smashing in the faces of your tanks!

You obviously don't understand the purpose of Vit and it is obvious that you never tanked any floor of coil without echo and/or overgearing the content. I think I'll have a good laugh next week.

[Zfz]

take less damage over the course of the fight!

Total damage taken over the course of the fight only ever matters when your healers are going OOM during the fight. Any other time, what matters is the damage taken between heals, and there are two things tanks can do about that: use a cool-down, or have more effective HP.

[Waliel]

One point of damage is one point of enmity. One point of healing is one point of enmity. Damage and healing is exactly the same enmity wise.

Really you just said dps was the highest. I am sure if you are watching the add ons you are running that healer is second or close to second. Again your abilities have built in hate. BUILT IN. Dps is a bonus it is not dependent.

The built-in hate is just a multiplier and directly scales off your damage. Extreme example, but it doesn't matter if the threat multiplier is 100 if you're doing 2 DPS.

Let's say your Halone hits for 100 in Sword Oath, which makes it do 500 points worth of threat, as it has 5x multiplier. Now you switch to Shield Oath, and the damage of Halone drops to 80, but thanks to the extra 2x multiplier from Shield Oath, your Halone now does 80*5*2=800 points worth of threat. While Shield Oath has a built-in 2x multiplier, it's only a 1.6x in reality, because it drops all of the damage you do by 20%. All of the threat you do is directly related to the damage you do. Even Flash is just X potency worth of threat to everything and scales off your damage, even if it doesn't do any.

[SirTaint]

Please, the relevant content of heavensward isn't here yet (alexander savage). Anything below that (in heavensward) is ridiculously easy as a tank.



You obviously don't understand the purpose of Vit and it is obvious that you never tanked any floor of coil without echo and/or overgearing the content. I think I'll have a good laugh next week.

I didn't touch a VIT build until T13. I'd suspect the same will be true in Alexander.

[Tyrial]

Total damage taken over the course of the fight only ever matters when your healers are going OOM during the fight. Any other time, what matters is the damage taken between heals, and there are two things tanks can do about that: use a cool-down, or have more effective HP.

I think you're a little confused by the actual meaning of this term considering mitigation comes into play to determine eHP. It has absolutely nothing to do with hitting the max available HP at any given time. Plenty of old discussions on this topic, use the search function if you'd like to go read them and brush up.