Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

[Vulpes_Viridis]

@Dami

I don't get your point or maybe I misunderstood something.
If you're able to throw 7 Forbidden Chakra in a fight, go for it ! This also means there are enough breaks to stack Chakras so enough TP regen too. Why not use Forbidden Chakra + fracture in this case ? It's pure DPS gain.

Otherwise, if you would only get to use 1-2 Forbidden Chakra, it logically means that there are only a few/no phase changes where you can recover your TP and stack Meditation. At this point, isn't it more interesting keeping your 5 Chakra stacks to use them for a Purification after your 2nd Invigorate ? You could eventually get a 3rd one (not tested if 3rd Invigorate would be up in time, somebody confirms ?) ? This means you basically gain 400+400+300(+400) TP in a longer fight where you would starve without Purification. Why do you think Purification is a "nono" in this case ? About fracture here, I think it's just a matter of testing how many you can afford to do without starving but is always a DPS increase since you can't use FC.

[Letts]

@Dami

You could eventually get a 3rd one (not tested if 3rd Invigorate would be up in time, somebody confirms ?) ? This means you basically gain 400+400+300(+400) TP in a longer fight where you would starve without Purification.

Pretty much, after using invigorate - invigorate - purification I recall skipping one TOD when my TP became under 100 and the third invigorate was up without me hitting zero (without ever using fracture). Considering thats on a dummy a third invigorate should be up in a fight with more time to spare since you have mechanics involved.

[RyuDragnier]

It's not possible to have 100% fracture uptime EVEN on a dummy without dropping either ToD, DK or Twin Snakes.
You said yourself you never ToD/Fracture in the same DK/Twin snakes cycle.

Let's say you have 2.0 GCD, one DK/TS "cycle" with ToD is 7 GCDs - 14 seconds. So you can only use Fracture once every 14 GCDs~ (28 seconds) - how do you plan on covering 28 seconds worth of time with one fracture?

I apologize, apparently I was exhausted enough last night that I wasn't thinking straight. You are correct that it's not possible to keep up Fracture all the time currently (not with 625 skill speed), because you'll lose DK and Twin Snakes for about 1 second each. Looking at a build with all the endgame SS equipment for MNK, it'd give a total of 794 SS, which may see enough of a difference to where you can keep it up 100%. Worth a test, though personally I'd rather not sink everything I have into SS, it'd be a pretty big drop to the other stats.

[Ricdeau]

Your STR loss to hit that number for SS is huge, and the only way I'm able to get a value that high is to use the i180 weapon which is a large DPS loss. So with current gear available it's not even worth testing in a realistic scenario because the sacrifice is too high. I guess you just want to see if it's possible in future gear sets go for it, but right now it's just requiring you to give up way too much.

[RyuDragnier]

Your STR loss to hit that number for SS is huge, and the only way I'm able to get a value that high is to use the i180 weapon which is a large DPS loss. So with current gear available it's not even worth testing in a realistic scenario because the sacrifice is too high. I guess you just want to see if it's possible in future gear sets go for it, but right now it's just requiring you to give up way too much.

That's the main reason why I said it could be tested, but I'd rather not have such a build. Maybe when we have full gear from 3.3/3.4 it could happen normally, but I doubt it right now.

[Ricdeau]

That's the main reason why I said it could be tested, but I'd rather not have such a build. Maybe when we have full gear from 3.3/3.4 it could happen normally, but I doubt it right now.

I agree, I don't think we'll reach that value without the sacrifice getting there being too high. Occasionally I'll play around with massive amounts of SS to see what can actually be done, but nothing fruitful ever really comes from it.

[Acedia1]

I just tested it on a dummy and including fracture in my rotation i'm able to keep it reapplied as soon as it falls off and not drop DK or TS. My skill speed is at 688. ( I have no Ravana Weapon yet ). However If I use FC instead of purification, and even with good use of invigorate i'll bottom out on tp about 15s~ before invigorate is up again.

[Craiger]

I didn't have much time to try out using Fracture in my rotation today, but the little I did, it seemed to give me lots of problems with DK etc falling off...

I keep seeing people here mention 600+ SS builds so far, but I only have 434 (ilvl184), which is a huge difference... maybe it's because of that.

So my question is now... what SS level do you think a MNK should be at? We had a "cap" in 2.X to be able to keep GL with the PB opener, but could we have a new one for using Fracture effectively?

I don't think it's better to get as high as 688 like Acedia1 did to keep 100% Fracture up time, because you have to remember that SS still sucks in stat weight.

Then again, since I'm hitting so slow, I'm not clipping my buffs/dots much, so I'm not losing as much there, and I do get higher stat weight with having all those secondary stats as Crit/Det.

[Zamii]

so i can put all this crap to rest about fitting fracture in 100% of the time without altering rotation, in order to hit that mark, you need to be able to fit 8 skills in, within a 15 seconds window.
this requires a GCD of 1.875

without greased lightning this gives you a base GCD of 2.20

i shouldn't have to tell anything this currently isn't possible, but i'll do it anyway
using dervys skillspeed model of GCD = 2.50256-(0.01*(SS-354)/26.5)
we can work out that we get to 2.20 gcd when we have 1156 skill speed

edit: corrected skill speed calculation

[Acedia1]

I just tested it again and after looking closely DK falls off during the animation of DK sometimes whether this is a dps loss or evens the bonus of using fracture out since DK may sometimes not benefit from DK I dont know atm. Also it's not that i'm actively trying to get as much Skill speed as i have it's just what my current mix of law/ alexander story mode gear has, and also to clarify i'm not trying to prove a point or disprove someone else's point. I'm genuinely just trying to do the max possible dps that I can do which is why I think some of us are here =).