Can we please get a serious 24-man raid in 3.1?

[Donarudo]

Ok, but what about those who don't have that many people in their FC? Tough luck?

Keep in mind I didn't say rid us of 8 person content, however it is valid to state that in fact there is no large scale raids for BIG FC's. There is nothing negative about widening the spectrum. Its not tough luck frankly...there will still be small FC's. There will still be DF, and there will still be PF. Simply put just as small groups have asked for content, large groups are asking for the same. Should we ignore the fact that there is no large scale content?

[Hammerfist]

only joinable as premade party and share weekly gear drop with normal mode

Then practically no one would do it, just as it happened with Savage Second Coil.

[Johaan]

It's too expensive in terms of resources/how many people actually participate. Content takes time to develop, test, balance, model, and so forth. It's a massive investment. And when you're talking about content that by its very nature is meant to limit access, this looks like an increasingly top-heavy investment. Spending a huge amount of time and resources on content that most players won't see/complete is foolish.

LOL at someone saying "not my problem, my 15 bucks will cover it" plz go. there's a reason why MMOs moved away from that type of raid model, its not sustainable. cost/effective.

[Hammerfist]

It's too expensive in terms of resources/how many people actually participate. Content takes time to develop, test, balance, model, and so forth. It's a massive investment. And when you're talking about content that by its very nature is meant to limit access, this looks like an increasingly top-heavy investment. Spending a huge amount of time and resources on content that most players won't see/complete is foolish.

LOL at someone saying "not my problem, my 15 bucks will cover it" plz go. there's a reason why MMOs moved away from that type of raid model, its not sustainable. cost/effective.

How can the raid be too expensive when they are already developing it right now? It's just a matter of fixing the difficulty/mechanics in a different mode.

[SDaemon]

A story mode that currently gives you the best gear in the game.

For the next day and a half.....

[Hammerfist]

Spending the time and resources requires to make a 24 man "challeging" raid for "hardcores" it's not worth it, terrible deal for SE cuz the "99%" will not enjoy it/ try it/ clear it and the "hardcores" will finish it in few hours/days, get all the items they care in a few weeks and then say they are boring / jump to another game till next update/ just stop logging.

Learned from WildStar: hardcore audience focused content = bad deal /// Social-Casual content = great deal + more clients + more money

Yet, every single day, we see lots of threads on the forums about people complaining that there aren't enough endgame contents and plenty of those people have been leaving the game for that precise reason during all A Realm Reborn.

Also, it's 3.0 now: 2.0 is required content and there are still casual contents pretty much everywhere you look (and probably there will always be), but do you know what's the in-game goal of 99% of players I see? Exactly, it is to eventually be able to raid. Maybe not in the hardest raids as soon as they come out, but at least in the intermediate ones that don't require a static. How is having only one 8-man raid at any specific time a good thing for this game?

[Shneibel]

why a serious 24 men raid when WoD fail horrible atm ? CT and ST have fail alliance too but not to the point of vote disband like WoD.

If players cannot do an easy 24 men raid, we really don't need for a harder one

[Twilite]

doable by a premade alliance (not random PUGs in the DF)

Do love how you all wanna shut out a percentage of the player base.

[Intaki]

A game does not thrive by focusing on the select few hardcore players over the regular run of the mill players. Wildstar learned this the hard way, and WoW is getting its own lesson on the subject.

[Hammerfist]

Do love how you all wanna shut out a percentage of the player base.

Not at all. If there was a Normal mode and a Hard mode, then it would make sense if you weren't able to clear the Hard mode at launch with random people in the duty finder, just like it already happens with the Coils and the EX Primals; after a while, they could add echo or whatever and make it available in duty finder like everything else.

A game does not thrive by focusing on the select few hardcore players over the regular run of the mill players. Wildstar learned this the hard way, and WoW is getting its own lesson on the subject.

Exclusively adding content that can be cleared by literally anyone and that becomes boring and irrelevant after the first few weeks (if not days) has an even worse effect.