Thread: Can we please get a serious 24-man raid in 3.1?

Originally Posted by Ashkendor

"But Alexander (Savage) is only meant for a small portion of the playerbase!" The difference is, anyone can at least attempt it. You can grab 8 randoms out of PF then go in there and die for an hour and a half. If they put in something requiring 24 people from the same FC, there's a hard restriction there that keeps you from even trying.

You don't want to join a bigger FC? That's perfectly fine: what prevents you from joining a dedicated Linkshell? Or creating/joining a party finder? Or shouting in the area close to the raid? Hell, you could even "ally" with another FC and form a mixed alliance.

...And then people complain this game isn't social enough.

Originally Posted by Reaperking386

I am against the very idea of a 24 premade raid that rivals Alexander difficulty. Here is my reasons:

1. 24 man raids require a whole knew balance in classes and mobs.
2. New boss mechanics must be introduced aside from 8 man raids.
3. It is wasted content. It is so much easier for raiders to get the same amount of armor for a 8 man than 24 man.
4. Why the hell would a FC ever do a 24 man over a 8 man other than the silly idea of it being big?
5. Even if you up the item level of a 24 man from 8 man you are now segregating smaller FC's who raid.
6. Raids cost time and money. If you introduce a new raid something else may be removed or will not be introduced in the content list.
7. It is a gamble that FF probably does not have interest in dealing with. Millions of dollars a new raid would cost.
If no one runs it Yoshi P. would have to tell them why he just lost all that money. I don't think FF has the budget for that yet.
8. It is probably not in Yoshi P's vision in his game.

1- Not necessarily.
2- It is true even for 8 man raids.
3- Gear isn't everything.
4- Because boss mechanics in a well designed 24 man raid are usually more interesting than those in smaller size party content (that 's the main reason large scale raids existed in other MMO).
5- Why ? Gear isn't everything and smaller FC could gang up together to tackle on content.
6- Not my problem. Anyway one cannot say we got a handful of new features in the latest expansion.
7- A raid doesn't cost millions of dollars, anyway we re paying a monthly subscription cost and the expansion.
8- Well then SE is going to have a surprise if the company expect the game to last for a decent amount of time.

Originally Posted by Hammerfist

You don't want to join a bigger FC? That's perfectly fine: what prevents you from joining a dedicated Linkshell? Or creating/joining a party finder? Or shouting in the area close to the raid? Hell, you could even "ally" with another FC and form a mixed alliance.

And then people complain this game isn't social enough...

The problem is nothing changes in a 24 man raid. It still equals an 8 man in the end as far as balance should go. Why waste so much money and time so people can be in a bigger raid that is the same as an 8 man? And if you are suggesting to segregate that smaller FC's for the sake of a bigger FC that MAY do a 24 man than you have no business skills at all. Ashkendor is right. Bigger is not always better.

1 - Still yes. You just don't 3x's damage and mechanics because there is 8 groups there.
2 - Still proves another point. Timely and costly.
3 - Gear is defiantly everything in end game. That is the main reason you go to a raid.
4 - Except 24 man raids are a thing in the past. Even wow is burying that hatchet adding Flex raids and reducing 24 man raids to 20 man mythic.
5 - Except they wont. You expect too much from raiders.
6 - That is very much your problem! If it fails than everyone suffers. You are literally thinking of only yourself.
7 - And you are getting exactly what you paid for and yes, it cost millions.
8 - At the moment they are doing pretty damn good.

I just can't handle another wow man...

add a hard mode to next 24 man raid (only joinable as premade party and share weekly gear drop with normal mode)? yes
bring out a hard mode without the normal mode? no