Thread: Can we please get a serious 24-man raid in 3.1?

Large scale raids have never been fun. Let's say you have a big FC. Why can 't you just do multiple groups like every big FC ever? If we had a srsface 24man raid come out it'd kinda be a slap in the face of the current big FCs that do do multiple groups. They'd end up cutting tanks somehow, considering atm you generally have two tanks per group. What if they don't want to play something other than tank? Why should they change because a _TINY MINORITY_ of people want a big raid?

http://youtu.be/3zNjQecyjE8

Originally Posted by Edmond_Guilford

Large scale raids have never been fun. Let's say you have a big FC. Why can 't you just do multiple groups like every big FC ever? If we had a srsface 24man raid come out it'd kinda be a slap in the face of the current big FCs that do do multiple groups. They'd end up cutting tanks somehow, considering atm you generally have two tanks per group. What if they don't want to play something other than tank? Why should they change because a _TINY MINORITY_ of people want a big raid?

http://youtu.be/3zNjQecyjE8

Large scale raids are more about the feeling then anything else.
I remember 40 man raids in wow (yes 40 people) and you could actually all get into a massive room and not be limited by 1 tiny corner at a time.
It's just the scale that makes it more impressive.

I ve led largescale raids back in EQ, we routinely did race for worldfirsts or serverfirsts with 65+ people on raid nights, going beyond 70 often. Its great fun. 40 man Blackwing Lair in WoW classic was fun too. 20 man Zul Gurub worldfirst hakkar after he was buffed was awesome.

Its really more a matter of getting the right people, and enjoying the logistical and motivational challenge. Also, modern gamers are a much more diverse group, and feel much more entitled, less suitable to unite them into an efficient raid force.

Either way, the best times I ve had in FFXIV so far were the original Pharos Sirius (which ppl didnt like to run because it wasnt easy and efficient to get tomestones), the original Twintania, Leviathan Extreme on its release, pre-nerf Steps of Faith on the very first day. ALl of these hit a sweet spot, for me, between effort and reward. Sadly, it seems i am in the minority there.

I think the most important thing, which WoW seems to exemplify in both its successes and failures, is to always have an enticing, big piece of content ahead of the large majority of the playerbase, and possibly even the dedicated core. A content ceiling that only few reach initially. Something to strive for.

Its natural that people, if you ask them on a given day, prefer being handed stuff for , almost, no effort. Failing the 3rd time vs. Titan Extreme, by itself, is not fun. It is part of the larger experience of success when you finally get it down though, it builds to that.

Originally Posted by Zabuza

Anyone here done a 64 man Dynamis-Xarcabard? I have... fun times.

That's what we need.

Yes please, or some NEW content besides the same ol stuff ; ;

Originally Posted by Arkista

That's what we need.

That's also hell to organize, especially in this day and age with people's limited patience. Was hard enough to organize even back then. Even when we put when the scheduled run would be a week in advance, we still had to wait outside the entrance for 30-60 mins just waiting for people to gather...

Originally Posted by Grotesque

Ppl playing MMOs back then were about 15 to 22 years without many responsibilities. Now, the same ppl still play MMOs but are 5 to 10 years older with a bit more real life. It is already something to organize 8 ppl nowadays, I wouldn't want to organize 24 ppl today. Back then, e.g. in Anarchy Online stuff like Pandemonium Raids with 50+ ppl were fun.
MMOs have to adapt to its audience. FF is doing great on this point, even with limited time you can have good progress and success even on the hardest content, speaking as a family father with regular 40h job who cleared stuff before nerf and got Zeta

I really don't understand this whole "people don't have time for raids anymore". Sure, you and other people may have grown older and have less time than before, but many, many other people, especially the younger ones, are playing this as their first MMO and are looking forward to get invested in it. Just like all the other already existing long-term contents (such as crafting, gathering, dungeon farming or relic quests), raiding is an endgame content, another extra that has the purpose of making you enjoy the game for much longer and grow bonds with other players by spending time together, which is pretty much the basis of any MMO: if you don't have enough time for that, no one obliges you to do it.