Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Adire]

It is common courtesy to help new players as well. Not everyone can learn from a youtube video. I've watched plenty of videos on a fight..and failed horribly. Then someone explains and and I'm doing much better. People need to stop assuming that a youtube video is the silver bullet.

We have 2 excellent video guide makers.

MTQCapture and MrHappy.

MTQCapture's videos are quick and to the point, may miss some things.

MrHappy's videos are generally long and detailed, as detailed as any explanation can be.

There is really no excuse to go in expecting to be told mechanics. Why hold the group up when you can watch a video like MrHappy's over and over until you have a decent understanding of what you can get without experience?

Never have I been in a dungeon where an explanation from a player has been as organized and detailed as MrHappy's video guides.

[Baci]

It is common courtesy to help new players as well. Not everyone can learn from a youtube video. I've watched plenty of videos on a fight..and failed horribly. Then someone explains and and I'm doing much better. People need to stop assuming that a youtube video is the silver bullet.

Though its not wrong what you said and I somewhat support you in what you said. How come that some people join a bossfight and just think that other players have to explain the whole thing. Just because they didnt want to read/watch about the Instance?

[SakuraMidori]

Judging by things, you were kicked unjustly in this case as they didn't explain enough to you.

But, when going into something that is not brand new, do you think the veterans should always explain everything?

You have other choices like a PF for learning, or watching a video explaining the fight, or reading a guide...

It doesn't take much for a veteran to explain the basics, but they do get tired of having to do that explanation over and over when it should be more about assigning roles and beating it.

Not brand new lollllllll yes since 2 weeks old is not new at all and everyone needs to be a vet by the time less then 2 weeks rolls around yea? jeez all i can say is ppl need to chill out and if you expect ppl to watch vids and know every lil thing make your own party

[Theonekitten]

I'm mad that they kicked me after a single wipe because I didn't know all the mechanics beforehand, and misleading information was given in the run itself

I think they kicked you because you were a machinist >.> ...(ducks head as i run out of the room) lol

[Theonekitten]

We have 2 excellent video guide makers.

MTQCapture

MTQCapture's videos are quick and to the point, may miss some things.

I love her and want to make her my salt wife... <3 MTQCapture

[3Jane]

I agree that the kick was unjust. You made the mistake once. Not over and over. Plus you were new.

However, they're not obligated to type out all the mechanics for you (a random pug), just like you're not obligated to know the mechanics. It bugs me when newbies rage at vets for not holding their hands. I know you didn't rage - I'm just saying that it's a pet peeve of mine when it does happen.

It's just a matter of common courtesy and manners isn't it. In the interests of entertainment, fun and being sociable. Surely people don't only do things unless they fell themselves obliged to.

[Elim]

It's just a matter of common courtesy and manners isn't it. In the interests of entertainment, fun and being sociable. Surely people don't only do things unless they fell themselves obliged to.

Not sure which side you're referring to. You can apply that argument to both. You could say, "It's common courtesy to watch a video or read a guide so you don't hold up seven people. You're not a special snowflake. This is a social game and you have to think about other people, not just yourself." or "It's common courtesy to teach new players. This is a social game and you have to think about other people, not just yourself."

Neither are common courtesy, nor do they have anything to do with manners. IMO. It's entirely based on how someone wants to play the game/spend their free time.

[Hypie]

FFXIV was the first MMORPG where i saw things like this:

- Did you watch Youtube videos before entering the dungeon
- Did you watch the guides before entering the dungeon

If you response, no i did not? Then you are noob and bad player.

This is strange community. Dungeons are supposed to be learned by playing them, wiping, learning by mistake, improving etc... And not how some elitists want that people should watch some videos lol .

This was in Ultimate Ballad. Easily learned after couple of wipes.

Sorry to inform you but this is common through all mmos now...BUT i as a tank don't watch videos. If they rage i just think "elitist scumbags..." and twiddle my tumbs. As a Tank i will find another Group soon. The Fights are explained with a few Words if they are too lazy for that they should stop playing MMO's altogether. It's always about Teamwork and not "hooo my slaves go and do by my bidding....I AM YOUR GOD THE MIGHTY GOA'ULD"......wait wrong world

[Fatedkiss]

I don't actually know how to start this reply nor do I often post on here. So i shall start by saying that everything here will be my opinion and should only be viewed as one persons view of the current state of the game.

It appears to me as time goes on that the community especially end game is getting increasingly more toxic.

Exhibit A: This thread was created about a group that kicked someone for simply making a mistake and bothering to ask for clarification from what he was originally told about the fight.

We have people going back and forth between "watch a video" or "read a guide", as well as people saying that they wish to simply enjoy the game and learn from it the way that every group that creates these "Guides" has actually done themselves. We watch guides yet only see the win that they achieved and not the countless times they have wiped learning that fight. Then to make it worse it becomes assumed that everyone else who has watched that video must be able to replicate what they saw and avoid all mechanics within just a small couple of attempts.

The justification people use for being rude is "don't waste our time". I would beg to differ that by playing FFXIV you are currently "wasting your time" due to the fact you are currently using extra time you have outside of real life duties to be playing said game.

This toxicity even stems into party finder where we ask people to go to learn. often getting learning groups who disband after a few failed attempts or get someone who rage quits. You also have the groups that want to clear yet refuse to accept any mistakes with aggressive comments such as "will kick if your bad" or "don't make mistakes". We are humans and we are an imperfect species.

Yet we treat each other like dirt and demand everyone to be perfect. the sad thing is it wont ever end, everyone is entitled to their opinions and ideals. we just often suffer from it.

Thank for taking the time to read this if you did. again its just my opinion and I know mine are often not shared with others.

[Ymal]

Okay so this all drama is going on because everyone here expect that whenever and to whoever they ask something said person should bend to their will and do the work of explaining for them while some people made guide on the net exactly for those reasons?

MTQ videos are very short and and usually very well made and straight to the point, and just by watching them I, a person that rarely ever do raid, was able to clear Alex in an hour or two without any problems or causing a wipe. No the video won't teach you everything about it, but it should be enough for you to go in the instance knowing what to expect.

I'm usually a very nice player, the usual 'switch to whm and wait a few minutes to raise a random player' type of player, and as I've said I'm the one to always explain instances to new people when they ask, but I've had my fair share of teaching the two first phases of T5 for months when I needed my clear that to me if you didn't take the time to watch/read a guide then I'm not going to take 10min of my time babbling about a raid that I probably don't know by heart, or not even the mobs/abilities's names. You came in an instance knowing it will be difficult and didn't look it up then to me you didn't wanted to know how it goes.

That's great that you are all for helping, but don't go starting a witch hunt because one person couldn't/wouldn't explain one raid content to someone who was too lazy to read a guide and yet ask what they have to do. I'm not going to start feeling bad because people here decided to insult anyone that won't agree to type a full resume of a 15min fight with multiple mechanisms.

The justification people use for being rude is "don't waste our time". I would beg to differ that by playing FFXIV you are currently "wasting your time" due to the fact you are currently using extra time you have outside of real life duties to be playing said game.

I personally really dislike when people say this, considering that it means that everything we do is a waste of time in the end. Doing something that you enjoy? gee what a waste of time.