Parry is useless. Can we change it?

[Allyrion]

This would basically be defense.

RNG is ok. I just wish it wasn't so weak and completely useless against magic damage.

Yea, just like Determination is a lesser version of MND/STR/INT.
Which is why I was agreeing with Kiteless that it should effectively be a mitigation version of Determination.

I'm not against RNG. I'm just against the only real mitigation secondary being RNG.

[Voltyblast]

I think they should really make parry better, especially since it's one of the main stats for DRK due to their lack of block and having no hp boost like the warrior does.
I haven't leveled one up yet but I can already see that they're not on par in terms of a Paladin's defense, and not entirely up to a warrior either now.

Paladins have a shield so on top of parrying they can also block, in addition to have some of the strongests mitigations around.
Warriors can only parry but with the expansions they have far more mitigation chances with Raw Intuition and have a slight Parry boost thanks to the new defiance. But even without them, they have a constant 20% healing and 25% hp boost.
Dark Knights have dmg reduction but can't block. They have some dmg mitigation skills and a parry boost, but no healing or hp boosts. They can dish out damage but they're not as strong as a warrior in my opinion.

I think parry should be reworked indeed, especially in help for DRK.
Maybe on top of 20% dmg reduction they could have a boost on parry and the additional chance of parrying magic (like others have suggested): they would become excellent magic breakers and would make them more required on fights where magic damage is more constant.

[SirTaint]

Offensive secondaries are not worthless, ask any progression group. The additional secondaries from crafted gear is why people were clearing FCoB week one. (Same ilvl more secondaries)

DET was nerfed and then given to us in greater quantities.

The fact that all secondaries all had their scales raised further separates parry from the others.

When parry took 13 points to raise 1% it was bad now it's around 34 points per %. (Needs more testing but 34 is close)

[Dererk]

I'd honestly love Grit to be like this:

Grit Dread Spikes
20% Retaliation. (instead of damage reduction.)
Enmity gain is increased.
Lower overall damage by 20%.

NO JUST NO.

meanwhile i'm still sad and confused why they removed the Det/str scaling from parry entirely..


why couldn't they have just adjusted it for 3.0 rather than blow it out of the water?

Or or have vitality affect parry since its the main tank stat.

[Tam_Hawkins]

When parry took 13 points to raise 1% it was bad now it's around 34 points per %. (Needs more testing but 34 is close)

That much? It was alrady pretty useless so they needed they nerf it in two different ways just to make that more obvious it seems....

[Marxam]

When parry took 13 points to raise 1% it was bad now it's around 34 points per %. (Needs more testing but 34 is close)

Source for data? as of 3.01 Parry is only remotely useful to DRK who requires it for low blow and reprisal procs. I imagine with enough parry DRK can be like BRD with Bloodletter procs.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

13 parry for 1% might actually make it very useful.

Right now 500 parry seems like its giving like 4% parry.

[Kallera]

Does dex still affect parry? I'm thinking that or piety would be helpful for drk.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Does dex still affect parry? I'm thinking that or piety would be helpful for drk.

Dex/Str no longer affect parry sadly.

[Domira]

Tell me that after playing Dark Knight that invests heavily into parry with their buffs.

Parry is far from useless.

Ironically DRK have worse parry options than WAR and DRG lol.