The argument"MCH/Bard have utility so their damage should be lower"

[Leonus]

Now I say give brd caster and melee dps numbers.

Remove melee positionals and their limited range of attacking ( let them stand as far away as a caster, brd/mch) and lower blm potency on spells and make them all instacast and give sms nukes.

Make brds party stuff single target or with long as hell cool downs.

Should make everything fair. This is now my stance and I'm sticking to it.

[Durendel]

First off the change to WM was a recent change so do not try to act like this was around the whole time. Second this means that they more or less actually made it a choice you either have it on or you don't. Chances are that you will just have it on for your opener and if you feel safe for 15 seconds you will use it and or the most likely scenario you will just turn it on to line up with your barrage imperial arrow combo. Just because i do not play the job does not mean that I do not keep up with whats going on with the job.

[Durendel]

which in turn means you still get to keep your mobility accept for the occational 15 seconds which will be used for specific abilities as stated before

[Aiselia]

the change to WM was a recent change

And before the change, your suggestion would have made less sense since it had a 3 sec cast time, and stopping DPS for 3 sec to turn it on and shoot a couple shots then turn it off again would be even worse.

your opener

So why make it a song? Why not just a 15 sec buff with a cd that syncs with our other cds?

If we're only supposed to use it sparingly as a damage bonus every couple minutes, then it was designed poorly and should have been just another cd.
If we're supposed to actually use it as much as possible, then it was designed poorly because Bards were not designed with cast times in mind, even ignoring mobility.

Either way, it was designed poorly.

Or to be more accurate, it was designed well for the Machinist, when they made it. It was then transferred to the Bard as an afterthought poorly.

i do not play the job

Then you don't know how the class works.

[Aiselia]

Remove melee ... limited range of attacking ( let them stand as far away as a caster, brd/mch) and lower blm potency on spells and make them all instacast and give sms nukes.

Translation: "I have no legitimate counter-arguments."

[Leonus]

Translation: "I have no legitimate counter-arguments."

I have already posted counter arguments, sick of reposting them for brds to counter what most posts look like translated: "I wanna be top dps, why can't I? I also wanna move however I want and beat our everyone" and "my songs don't do diddly squat! No one ever needs them!"

The answer is simple.

Make everything the same. Then no one can complain. Get rid of mechanics that require anyone to stop hitting the boss and balance around that.

Seems solid, no?

[Aiselia]

I have already posted counter arguments

Which is why I used the adjective "legitimate".

There's a difference between "Top DPS" and "Comparable so we're not a drain in the 95% of the game that doesn't require a TP/MP battery."

Until you understand that, you won't be making any legitimate counter-arguments.

[Leonus]

Which is why I used the adjective "legitimate".

There's a difference between "Top DPS" and "Comparable so we're not a drain in the 95% of the game that doesn't require a TP/MP battery."

Until you understand that, you won't be making any legitimate counter-arguments.

I personally have not failed anything because of a Brd/mch lacking in damage(unless the player themselves was truly bad). That's on the "pure" (can I use that right now?) Dps job just shifting their own lack of damage onto the (don't hurt me, please) "support" dps and no wanting tow own up to it. Who knows, maybe it's just me? If I were to "hypothetically" view a parse and see the damage numbers and we failed I'm looking at the melee and casters first and I'm gonna tell them to step up their game.

But, if we remove mechanics and give everyone every "support", dps, healing and tanking ability, no one can really complain. I am convinced of this now, we should do what needs to be done to quell the complaining happening now, as well as any that would arise down the line.

[Aiselia]

I personally have not failed anything because of a Brd/mch lacking in damage.

That's cool. I have. We had 3 Bards in Bismarck HM thanks to roulette. Didn't have the DPS to prevent the wipe.

But hey, at least we were covered if we needed TP or MP, right? Clearly that was worth it.

[Sessurea]

That's cool. I have. We had 3 Bards in Bismarck HM thanks to roulette.

Done it with 4 brds , git gud.