The argument"MCH/Bard have utility so their damage should be lower"

[Aiselia]

the change to WM was a recent change

And before the change, your suggestion would have made less sense since it had a 3 sec cast time, and stopping DPS for 3 sec to turn it on and shoot a couple shots then turn it off again would be even worse.

your opener

So why make it a song? Why not just a 15 sec buff with a cd that syncs with our other cds?

If we're only supposed to use it sparingly as a damage bonus every couple minutes, then it was designed poorly and should have been just another cd.
If we're supposed to actually use it as much as possible, then it was designed poorly because Bards were not designed with cast times in mind, even ignoring mobility.

Either way, it was designed poorly.

Or to be more accurate, it was designed well for the Machinist, when they made it. It was then transferred to the Bard as an afterthought poorly.

i do not play the job

Then you don't know how the class works.

[Warlyx]

WM now is mandatory 100% all the time , heavy movements phases? i still to see something like that , because if that existed healers/blm will cry in pain...titan extreme for example, once u know the battle....sidestep and keep dpsing. Some bosses are more painfull for casters others force melee to disconnect...but SE usually balance it pretty well (melees will always think otherwise )

30% dmg is no joke , EA, Iron jaws and if u dont have WM on when u shoot sidewinder /facepalm...

so no , Brd arent mobile anymore , not more WM on the opener and then turn it off and keep doing 2.0 brd...until CD align.

dunno about MCH ^^;


Btw now summoners have BURST and what burts :O , and are the best on AOE ....SE fixed SMN issues with HW , burst and AOE dmg ...funny because HW fixed and gave every job what they lacked ....ex : WHM lacked dmg and got DMG on HW....SCH lacked aoe healing and got that....

BRD got casting times and clunky gameplay...

[Tsilyi]

Ok take one part of what i said to use it for what you want because it fits what you want. I said just because I do not play the job does not mean i do not keep up with what is going on with the job nor the most current theory crafting.

I mean, sure. You can say that, but from what you're saying it's evident that you don't.

This isn't to say I don't think bards are still pretty mobile since our cast times are a full second shorter than any other caster.

[Durendel]

people were turning WM in order to line up with imperial iron jaws and sidewinder and barrage particularly when the boss had a period of invulnerability. People learn something about you your own class complain at me because i don't play the class. WM was also used for the the Opener.

[Tsilyi]

people were turning WM in order to line up with imperial iron jaws and sidewinder and barrage particularly when the boss had a period of invulnerability. People learn something about you your own class complain at me because i don't play the class. WM was also used for the the Opener.

This is certainly how some were using WM before the buff, yes. Are you talking about pre 3.01? Maybe that is the confusion, but if you're talking about now, then WM is too good to turn off unless you simply can't stop moving for a while. Add to that the fact that when you turn it on, you can't turn it off for 15 seconds.

Either way, you are offering poor advice for the current environment, so do not claim to know what is right and wrong when you don't play the class and are also wrong about keeping up with changes.

[HairyRoger]

If you want close to melee, that's what Gauss/WM are for. :P

I agree with your reasoning on mobility vs damage. It is all related to uptime. That one line right there is what it boils down to for me though. Gauss does not do that, at all. FF14 is more set in stone class wise than most other games. I would love to be able to trade mobility for more damage, speaking from a MCH, not a BRD, pov.

[Aiselia]

Snip

That's great. What does that have to do with anything I said, though?

It doesn't matter how people ended up using it. It matters how it's supposed to be used.

If people are using it correctly by only using it lined up with cooldowns, then it should be changed into a 15-sec cooldown without cast times.
If people are using it incorrectly and it's supposed to be on a majority of the time, then it needs to be fixed.

I don't care how people were using it. I care how we're supposed to use it.

Making the best out of a bad skill doesn't make the skill not bad.

[Leonus]

Yep make it a zerg fest where you just spam 1 to kill boss. Hell, remove any mechanic that the boss has. Just take it back to FFXI where you just hit the mob til it dies where it stands.

This x 1000

If we do this, we can all be top dps.

No positionals, no cast times, no boss mechanics other than the occasional add.

Oh and HNMs on a world timer.

And samurai.

Come to think of it, FFXI didn't have a party support class slot either... guess the should have made brds, corsair etc able to match wars, rangers, sams, nin, mnks.

I guess SE failed there too... should have been able to dps as good on my rdm as I was able to on my Sam or war.

[Ryaz]

This x 1000

If we do this, we can all be top dps.

No positionals, no cast times, no boss mechanics other than the occasional add.

Oh and HNMs on a world timer.

And samurai.

Come to think of it, FFXI didn't have a party support class slot either... guess the should have made brds, corsair etc able to match wars, rangers, sams, nin, mnks.

I guess SE failed there too... should have been able to dps as good on my rdm as I was able to on my Sam or war.

Ironic that your sig contains nothing about these support classes you're so invested in.

[Leonus]

Ironic that your sig contains nothing about these support classes you're so invested in.

I can put It In there if you so desire, milord.

Just say the word. I can fix the irony, but since so many brds claim to not be support, I don't want them to be offended. But, for you I can make an exception.