Shots Fired: A Machinist Guide

[Ephier]

hue phone double post.

[Ephier]

Also need to take into account two things. Gauss round and gauss barrel are required to be used in calculation because they are the auto attack replacements. Second, the more you buff the stronger gauss barrel is. People are not accounting for hot shot in their calculation. 1.56*1.05=1.638. While non gb gets 1.2*1.05=1.26. The difference in multiplier strength went from .36 to .378. This multiplier gets bigger and bigger for every buff you put on and the higher the potency the stronger is is.

[Ryaz]

Also need to take into account two things. Gauss round and gauss barrel are required to be used in calculation because they are the auto attack replacements. Second, the more you buff the stronger gauss barrel is. People are not accounting for hot shot in their calculation. 1.56*1.05=1.638. While non gb gets 1.2*1.05=1.26. The difference in multiplier strength went from .36 to .378. This multiplier gets bigger and bigger for every buff you put on and the higher the potency the stronger is is.

Ah yes, forgot about Hot Shot. Add in a DRG for 10% extra piercing damage and GB pulls ahead just due to massive scaling.

[airshowboat]

Because math is fun

Split
GB 140.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 * 1.30 = 229.32
NGB 140.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 + 88.00 = 264.40

Slug
GB 180.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 * 1.30 = 294.84
NGB 180.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 + 88.00 = 314.80

Clean
GB 200.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 * 1.30 = 327.60
NGB 200.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 + 88.00 = 340.00

Granted, that is dependent on the fact that auto attack potency is calculated as weapon delay/3.00 * 100. In the machinist case, 2.64/3.00*100 = 88.00. Given the calculations (short of a stupid mistake) it seems stance dancing could be a thing.

Thought process being, only stance dance if the following are true:

Is lead shot dot up? Yes
Is gauss round on cooldown? Yes
Is ricochet on cooldown? Yes

[Ryaz]

Don't forget, Gauss Round adds about 38.92 potency every 2.64 seconds and once you're in GB, you're stuck in it for 15 seconds. So you'd only have 5 seconds of non-GB time every 20 seconds, which may net you 2 auto-attacks, if that.

[airshowboat]

Don't forget, Gauss Round adds about 38.92 potency every 2.64 seconds.

Well, the idea of stance dancing is to get the benefit of both. You would never want to miss a gauss round to get AA. But with the insta casting nature of gauss barrel, it COULD work. I like the idea of stance dancing (not only because it sounds cool) but it may not matter over the course of an entire fight. Its not unreasonable to think that you could have used lead shot, ricochet, and gauss round and have 20 seconds to kill before your next gauss round.. You would "theoretically" have higher dps in that 20 seconds if you stance danced. Most likely the complexity would end up hurting your dps in the long run if you mess up during the rotation.

[Elizabeth]

Because math is fun

Split
GB 140.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 * 1.30 = 229.32
NGB 140.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 + 88.00 = 264.40

Slug
GB 180.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 * 1.30 = 294.84
NGB 180.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 + 88.00 = 314.80

Clean
GB 200.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 * 1.30 = 327.60
NGB 200.00 * 1.20 * 1.05 + 88.00 = 340.00

Granted, that is dependent on the fact that auto attack potency is calculated as weapon delay/3.00 * 100. In the machinist case, 2.64/3.00*100 = 88.00. Given the calculations (short of a stupid mistake) it seems stance dancing could be a thing.

Thought process being, only stance dance if the following are true:

Is lead shot dot up? Yes
Is gauss round on cooldown? Yes
Is ricochet on cooldown? Yes

So, basically, we could stance dance right after the opener? Using Wild Fire as a "chronometer" to put GB on again?

[Devilgunman]

Also, correct me if I am wrong but I think the AA potency is 88 not 57.2. Just like all other skills, the potency doesn't change. AA potency being calculated by 2.64/3.00 * 100.

Edited, wait...maybe you're right


AA Statistic is = (delay/3.00)*Physical Damage

So for Hive Muskatoon it's 2.64/3.00*65 = 57.2

But AA Potency is (delay/3.00)*100

according to this

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ttack_potency/

[RiceisNice]

So, basically, we could stance dance right after the opener? Using Wild Fire as a "chronometer" to put GB on again?

If my tests are anything to go by;

-Fulltime GB 3.01 has seen a straight up damage increase compared to before it.
- Burst GB dps has gone down a bit due to Ricochet being nerfed. Before you'd go into GB, burst everything during wildfire, then disable it to regain auto attacks (which at the time was superior to the 20% buff from GB)

[airshowboat]

No. AA potency is = (delay/3.00)*Physical Damage

So for Hive Muskatoon it's 2.64/3.00*65 = 57.2

That would mean the potency changes with every gun? The potency of all other skills stay the same with equipment.