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    Leeora's Avatar
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    Leeora Solus
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    Exodus
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Hello. I have been playing MCH since the pre-release access. I like the class so much that I decided to make it my main. However I have run into a problem that has come up quite frequently. I am consistently getting ridiculed for playing the class let alone making it my main class. At first I did not let it bother me, as Summoners had the same issue when the game first came out. Now every time I am in a duty, regardless of the actual persons fault, the blame is getting brought down to the MCH class which has left me getting either booted or people abandoning the duty. I have heard things across all spectrums of excuses about the class and the thing that is brought up the most is why bring a MCH when you can bring in a Summoner who has more utility and does more damage. MCH is a waste of a dps slot.

    Is there something I can say to make other groups feel justified in taking me along over other classes? Do you guys have some advice to give me?
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    Naesala L'arachel
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    Odin
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Leeora View Post
    Hello. I have been playing MCH since the pre-release access. I like the class so much that I decided to make it my main. However I have run into a problem that has come up quite frequently. I am consistently getting ridiculed for playing the class let alone making it my main class. At first I did not let it bother me, as Summoners had the same issue when the game first came out. Now every time I am in a duty, regardless of the actual persons fault, the blame is getting brought down to the MCH class which has left me getting either booted or people abandoning the duty. I have heard things across all spectrums of excuses about the class and the thing that is brought up the most is why bring a MCH when you can bring in a Summoner who has more utility and does more damage. MCH is a waste of a dps slot.
    I've not once had complaints on my MCH nor seen others complain @ 60 content. You must be doing something weird or you're on a shitty server.
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    Leeora Solus
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Humorless View Post
    I've not once had complaints on my MCH nor seen others complain @ 60 content. You must be doing something weird or you're on a shitty server.
    That's what I was concerned about because when I do duty's they are cross server. I have used rotations and the advice from this forum specifically and it doesn't seem like its me, but I can never be to sure.

    Also I watched the youtube video that was posted a few days ago thinking that was the most smooth I have seen a MCH work. I asked the person through youtube what rotations and what not they were doing to pull that off, but got no response. After more of the stuff I described earlier being encountered I decided to post on here so maybe I could get a better understanding/justification of things with the class.
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    Kaelan Loire
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    Lamia
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    Machinist Lv 60
    [QUOTE=Leeora;3130926

    Also I watched the youtube video that was posted a few days ago thinking that was the most smooth I have seen a MCH work. I asked the person through youtube what rotations and what not they were doing to pull that off, but got no response. After more of the stuff I described earlier being encountered I decided to post on here so maybe I could get a better understanding/justification of things with the class.[/QUOTE]

    I would suggest getting the ACT parser to check how you are doing compared to other dps. The front page has a really good opener (I've had an opening WF hit at 7183 using the opener). Other than the opener, it's keeping hotshot and leadshot up at all times and using CDs as they come up. Exception being blood for blood, delay it 10 seconds to use with hawk eye, rapid fire, and wildfire. It's important to know when you have time during the fight to pull off the WF combo. I hate when my WF lands when the boss is invincible
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    Leeora Solus
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Due to space I forgot to mention that I started to think that maybe it was just me. That I wasn't playing the class right, or getting down the rotations to make it effective. I was told by someone who ran with me for a bit that it wasn't my fault, that the class was designed to..."play like balls." This eventually came to a head when my FC was asking people who were level 60 if they wanted to do BisEX/Alexander. Considering those were the reason why I was rushing to get my ilvl up, I said I did. The person organizing the event seem disappointing and said. "I really thought you were going to be going in as a BLM" I never once stated that was the case, I did say I wanted to main my MCH many times during the course of the expansion thus far, and never even thought of focusing on BLM yet. It made me feel pretty bad, but more importantly I do not want to be bullied out of playing a class I really love.
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    Excel Kobayashi
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    Excalibur
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cascadi View Post
    2 – Gauss Barrel, Ammo, and Turrets

    The Machinist has 3 major concepts that it utilizes: the Gauss Barrel, usage of Ammunition, and the supportive toggled abilities of the autoturrets.

    Like the Bard’s Wanderer’s Minuet, Machinists get access to Gauss Barrel, an ability that puts a cast time on weaponskills and stops all auto-attacks. However, unlike the Bard, once a proc is triggered for Split Shot or Slug Shot, the following Slug or Clean Shot has no cast time. Some skills are also only usable while the Gauss Barrel is equipped, however, Gauss Barrel is pretty much useless outside of AoE pulls.
    I appreciate all the hard work and effort put into this guide. That said, I think since the patch changed so much, some of the suggested information might need to be revisited.

    ** Also a lot of people seem to be repeating the same questions about how to handle their rotation when dealing with trash mobs?
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    Last edited by arctic; 07-11-2015 at 06:22 AM.
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    Ciel Wintermere
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    Tonberry
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Just want to add that playing mch is not about rotation. There is no rotation to this class since we rely on procs. It is a priority based system. To maximise ur dps, u have to learn how to line up cooldown n react to procs according to fight mechanic. Learn which skill has higher priority over what available to you at that time. That being said i believe this guide is still missing DPS/action (cast) for each skill.
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    Ciel Wintermere
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    Tonberry
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    In my opinion, to help current mch community to change the old perception that mch is useless we probably need something else in the guide. Firstly, like i mentioned before we need to determine DPS/action (cast) for each skill to give more clarity to our priority system and secondly we need boss guides/tips on how to play our class properly.
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    Kaelan Loire
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    Lamia
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by iolanthe;3131628

    My Lead Shot Dot seems to be around 75 dps less than these top parses, and I'm having trouble understanding why exactly. Massterchef there is hitting around 213 DPS with Dots, where as in I'm sitting around 140 which is a huge difference. Am I supposed to be saving buffs and using an ammunition charge whenever I refresh Lead Shot to get the most out of it?

    Any feedback is more than welcome, because I'm seeing people post these spectacular parses and I'm having difficult understanding how they are able to do it so regularly.

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    What gear are you using? Hive weapon? The really high parses are from characters almost geared out to the max. The 190 weapon really adds dps too. Other than that, make sure you have GB on every time you apply leadshot. I parse at 900ish at 173. No hive weapon.
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