Ways to fix BRD and MCH in a realistic way

[Musashidon]

I don't need to "learn" my job, because I have mastered it already.

Perhaps you should learn not to comment stupid things on subjects you know nothing about.

And why not level Bard to 60, or something? Then take it to raids. Might teach you a thing or two.

obviously not when you *don't need songs and you are dps* lol

NAH MAN, you said it yourself that only the boost we do to other DPS do is what matters. Don't backpedal.

how am i back pedaling? i said you need bards for tp/mp songs without them you lose.

like i said beat a raid without those songs.

[Lillia]

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Songs are our main attraction, you're literally talking about running up to a tank during that fight too? I got news for you Lewt, you. are. ranged. unless it's for repelling shot then why would you even be near a monsters butt to begin with!? Gosh... The only exceptions should be fights like Chimera with Dragons Voice.

Anyways while songs are our main attraction, yes mobility is a great thing and was helpful at times like T7, T8, T12 but summoners and other jobs have reportedly done the same thing if it was needed before with more damage when they are dps'ing so that's completely invalid.

[Lewtskie]

Songs are our main attraction, you're literally talking about running up to a tank during that fight too? I got news for you Lewt, you. are. ranged. unless it's for repelling shot then why would you even be near a monsters butt to begin with!? gosh...

Anyways while songs are our main attraction, yes mobility is a great thing and was helpful at times like T7, T8, T12 but summoners and other jobs have reportedly done the same thing if it was needed before with more damage when they are dps'ing so SoL.

You understand I was referring to the tank that houses the adds, right? I guess I should have said big fuck-all tube?

And to be honest, some fights you're gonna get your ass beat if all you ever do is hang as far away as you can. Wanderer's Palace HM had that ungodly cone so it helped to keep close, as just one example.

So by comparison job that can do MOST of their dps and then move is better than a job that can do ALL their dps and still move? Why make the SMN gimp themselves by having to do that?

Given time I'm sure I can come with a nice list of where sure mobility comes in advantage.

[Intellion]

obviously not when you *don't need songs and you are dps* lol



how am i back pedaling? i said you need bards for tp/mp songs without them you lose.

like i said beat a raid without those songs.

And now you're resorting to putting words in my mouth because you know that my statements are true?

"Don't need songs."

What a joke. Never once have I said such a thing.

But yes, Bards are a DPS class. Tell me, look at their class icon and see what color it is. It sure as heck ain't green or blue.

When Bards queue up for DF, which slot do they get placed at?

"Bards are not DPS."

What a stupid and asinine claim. Please study more about the subject you are commenting on before actually saying something snarky.

I know I wouldn't comment on a Paladin feedback thread because I don't main the class, and hence I'm aware that I know nothing about it and my opinions are null and void.

Yet here you are, commenting on the Bard feedback thread despite not knowing a single thing about how to play Bards properly.

[Musashidon]

What a stupid and asinine claim. Please study more about the subject you are commenting on before actually saying something snarky.

oh bards are dps? then we can just take a better one in your place? right? cause those songs aren't important your mobility is?

[Lillia]

You understand I was referring to the tank that houses the adds, right? I guess I should have said big fuck-all tube?

And to be honest, some fights you're gonna get your ass beat if all you ever do is hang as far away as you can. Wanderer's Palace HM had that ungodly cone so it helped to keep close, as just one example.

That anyone can open? Yeah, if you're opening it then fine but then you move away anyways opening a tank doesn't make mobility suddenly golden. Like I said anyone can open it, especially a healer who has the fight under control for that matter and you'll see that I edit my post because there are SOME exceptions to being close.

oh bards are dps? then we can just take a better one in your place? right? cause those songs aren't important your mobility is?

Actually SMNs kite and move as well as us if it's absolutely needed to be so idk what shes on, she's on something good though and needs to share.

[Intellion]

oh bards are dps? then we can just take a better one in your place? right? cause those songs aren't important your mobility is?

Songs are important. They are our valuable utility tool, after all.

But our mobility is more important. You'd only fail to see this if you look at the situation from a non-Bard perspective.

Our mobility is literally the only thing that allows us to maintain sufficient DPS despite our naturally low damage and fulfill our roles as a DPS class.

What Minuet, as of now, is doing is taking away that mobility while giving us nothing in return, meaning that we can no longer maintain acceptable DPS in movement-heavy fights should SE force us into being in WM all the time. Try doing sufficient DPS with Minuet on Titan EX or even just on the final boss of Neverreap. I can assure you, it's a nightmare.

I have discussed this over and over, and I don't feel like repeating it all over again. Feel free to scroll back to earlier pages.

Plus, what color are a Bard's class icon?

Red.

What does red stand for?

DPS.

Please tell me that you know that. There's no "ifs", "buts" or any sort of arguing against that. Bard is a DPS. That's a FACT, not an OPINION.

[Nandalowell]

The circles you guys are running is making me dizzy.

[Lewtskie]

That anyone can open? Yeah, if you're opening it then fine but then you move away anyways opening a tank doesn't make mobility suddenly golden. Like I said anyone can open it, especially a healer who has the fight under control for that matter and you'll see that I edit my post because there are SOME exceptions to being close.

Good for you, you edited your post because you were actually incorrect about it. And again, if we can do ALL those things, and still do DPS, then why is that an issue? If the healer has downtime because of low heals, then why not throw out some deeps too? You'll have a Bard on the move making deeps, and a healer doing deeps. Got all the deeps. That's better!

[Musashidon]

Please tell me that you know that.

seriously your only argument revolves around *it says i am a dps*

your most valuable feature is your songs. if damage was the important part they would take someone who did more but it doesn't matter.

why? because without songs the whole raid fails.