Ways to fix BRD and MCH in a realistic way

[Lewtskie]

No. I already went over this earlier.

Our trump card is our mobility. Songs are just a sidearm. At most, skilled Bards only use their songs around 10% of the time. The other 90% of the time, they are relying purely on their mobility and their fast attacks to perform well as a DPS class.

Songs are indeed nice, but what non-Bards don't realize is that they are also very situational in nature.

Mobility is our absolute trump card, and our one defining point as a class.

Clearly they understand how a Bard works more than we do. Obviously we shouldn't be doing damage at all, we just need to be song bots that just stack songs on songs. That's how you balance it out. We do nothing but play songs and make everyone else do things.

Because when has mobility ever been useful? Not like we couldn't be the DPS who could so easily work levers or buttons or needing to do a thing from one end of the map to the other, right?

Like the dungeons we have now. It's not like my mobility helps when I can be the one to run up to a Tank to pop an add during the Minotaur fight while still popping my rotation. Or it's like I can seamlessly run up to a totem in the purple field while going pew pew where everyone else needs to turn about face and halt function entirely to go pick one up.

Nope, songs is all we good for, aye chief? Wants me play a song fer you, mi'lord? I can play one of thems fancy ones makes you do things. It's all I good fer anyhows.

[Lillia]

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Songs are our main attraction, you're literally talking about running up to a tank during that fight too? I got news for you Lewt, you. are. ranged. unless it's for repelling shot then why would you even be near a monsters butt to begin with!? Gosh... The only exceptions should be fights like Chimera with Dragons Voice.

Anyways while songs are our main attraction, yes mobility is a great thing and was helpful at times like T7, T8, T12 but summoners and other jobs have reportedly done the same thing if it was needed before with more damage when they are dps'ing so that's completely invalid.

[Lewtskie]

Songs are our main attraction, you're literally talking about running up to a tank during that fight too? I got news for you Lewt, you. are. ranged. unless it's for repelling shot then why would you even be near a monsters butt to begin with!? gosh...

Anyways while songs are our main attraction, yes mobility is a great thing and was helpful at times like T7, T8, T12 but summoners and other jobs have reportedly done the same thing if it was needed before with more damage when they are dps'ing so SoL.

You understand I was referring to the tank that houses the adds, right? I guess I should have said big fuck-all tube?

And to be honest, some fights you're gonna get your ass beat if all you ever do is hang as far away as you can. Wanderer's Palace HM had that ungodly cone so it helped to keep close, as just one example.

So by comparison job that can do MOST of their dps and then move is better than a job that can do ALL their dps and still move? Why make the SMN gimp themselves by having to do that?

Given time I'm sure I can come with a nice list of where sure mobility comes in advantage.

[Lillia]

You understand I was referring to the tank that houses the adds, right? I guess I should have said big fuck-all tube?

And to be honest, some fights you're gonna get your ass beat if all you ever do is hang as far away as you can. Wanderer's Palace HM had that ungodly cone so it helped to keep close, as just one example.

That anyone can open? Yeah, if you're opening it then fine but then you move away anyways opening a tank doesn't make mobility suddenly golden. Like I said anyone can open it, especially a healer who has the fight under control for that matter and you'll see that I edit my post because there are SOME exceptions to being close.

oh bards are dps? then we can just take a better one in your place? right? cause those songs aren't important your mobility is?

Actually SMNs kite and move as well as us if it's absolutely needed to be so idk what shes on, she's on something good though and needs to share.

[Lewtskie]

That anyone can open? Yeah, if you're opening it then fine but then you move away anyways opening a tank doesn't make mobility suddenly golden. Like I said anyone can open it, especially a healer who has the fight under control for that matter and you'll see that I edit my post because there are SOME exceptions to being close.

Good for you, you edited your post because you were actually incorrect about it. And again, if we can do ALL those things, and still do DPS, then why is that an issue? If the healer has downtime because of low heals, then why not throw out some deeps too? You'll have a Bard on the move making deeps, and a healer doing deeps. Got all the deeps. That's better!

[Lillia]

Good for you, you edited your post because you were actually incorrect about it. And again, if we can do ALL those things, and still do DPS, then why is that an issue? If the healer has downtime because of low heals, then why not throw out some deeps too? You'll have a Bard on the move making deeps, and a healer doing deeps. Got all the deeps. That's better!

Yep I did correct myself before even reading your post because I wasn't thinking of every single little encounter I've experienced, otherwise you have nothing special about being able to reach a tube sweetie.

So what you're saying is if a DPS DoT class who over time does damage can kite as well as a physical DPS

1)Who can move and attack.

2)doesn't completely do over time damage to do the majority of their DPS

3)doesn't rely on a pet that can die to do half their DPS

4)has songs to increase DPS for others

5)restore MP/TP along with now also block out negative effects the next turn that can potentially save healers time from esuna'ing which is being fixed for our convenience to be more useful and work properly?

then we should definitely be able to do more DPS outside of Wanderer's to reach theirs?


First off; Of course smn or any other job is sacrificing to move just to perform their mechanics but it doesn't make you special because you can move when a job with a higher dps can take your place while that SMN gives up only some of theirs so yeah, I'd say your songs are a pretty big deal and no I don't think we should do more out of WM with all of that.