Ways to fix BRD and MCH in a realistic way

[StouterTaru]

Mobility is our absolute trump card, and our one defining point as a class.

And standing still for 5-20 seconds every minute to burst damage breaks the job absolutely?

[ckc22]

The problem being that wanderers isn't a dogs boost. I don't get what's so hard about this. You give up movement and you get..... Pretty much nothing. You're certainly not getting boosted to Dps levels of other jobs so.... What's the point?

[Xyth]

I rarely ever need to use Ballad or Paeon Pre-3.0. If players played and manage their mana and TP usage, on top of their Shroud/Aetherflow/Invig, the songs are never needed to be played. The ONLY time I used ballad is when a fight extends longer than it should (which happens occasionally in a pug group with low DPS), or when a healer dies and ressed.

In most fights, that excludes BRDs, let's say 2 Melee or caster + Melee, can be completed without any issue. The BRD's utility is a bonus when it comes to our class, and I agree that it's a trump card. It's not necessary to use, but it's there when needed.

Foe should be used when there's 2 or more casters in the group. The only time I play Foe during 4-man content is when we have a caster and its's for trash aoe pulls. I don't play them for a boss fight, as my dmg decrease isn't worth it.

[Lillia]

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Really? you're going to compare 2.55 to right now? When every job but bard and machinist now has new operational toys that work fine? How about letting SE fix the skills first? Can it not wait that badly?

I mean really, when something absolutely needed tweaking they always did tweak it from my understanding and now we have a reply on it then stuff flies off the handle whinershire style?

And it wasn't 'fixed' it was changed along with other jobs for an expansion that increased level cap and added skills which triggered that change. Yes the skills don't work right now but that's why actual fixing is being done.

There's not a single game that never needed to fix a class/job or some aspect of the game at least once thus far in history, Heck there's some companies who don't fix them or reply period. We got both so lets wait and see how the changes are and if it's not fixed enough then we'll give more feedback.

And it's actually like this; Ranged: Low-powered ranged skills with cast time and immobility when inside Wanderer's Minuet and Gauss Barrel which isn't even being used currently.

[Intellion]

so wrong it's not funny. bards are taken because without them every other job would run out of tp/mp.

without bard the overall dps would drop abysmally.

all you went over is you have no idea how to play your own job.

No. All you've shown is that you have no clue how to actually play Bards and don't know what the hell you are talking about, yet you are snarkily commenting on a Bard feedback thread like this one.

Even in hardcore raids like coils, Bards are only asked to turn on their TP/MP songs when absolutely needed. After enough TP or MP is recovered, we are immediately asked to shut them off.

Why? Because in the end, we still consume a DPS slot, and hence are expected to pump out DPS. If you knew how to play Bards you'd also know that songs severely damage our DPS. But I guess you wouldn't. A Lv 24 Archer wouldn't have access to songs yet, after all.

With our low damage, how do we pump out the required DPS? By utilizing our trump card... mobility and rapid oGCD/proc weaving! Gasp! Who knew?!

As I keep saying, songs are undoubtedly useful, but it's just our sidearm.

It sure as hell weren't songs that helped me meet the tight DPS checks required on EX primals and Final Coil bosses when I cleared them as a Bard.

Once again, another PSA to non-Bards:

Please refrain from snarky comments unless you actually know enough about how to properly play the job well.

[Lewtskie]

No. I already went over this earlier.

Our trump card is our mobility. Songs are just a sidearm. At most, skilled Bards only use their songs around 10% of the time. The other 90% of the time, they are relying purely on their mobility and their fast attacks to perform well as a DPS class.

Songs are indeed nice, but what non-Bards don't realize is that they are also very situational in nature.

Mobility is our absolute trump card, and our one defining point as a class.

Clearly they understand how a Bard works more than we do. Obviously we shouldn't be doing damage at all, we just need to be song bots that just stack songs on songs. That's how you balance it out. We do nothing but play songs and make everyone else do things.

Because when has mobility ever been useful? Not like we couldn't be the DPS who could so easily work levers or buttons or needing to do a thing from one end of the map to the other, right?

Like the dungeons we have now. It's not like my mobility helps when I can be the one to run up to a Tank to pop an add during the Minotaur fight while still popping my rotation. Or it's like I can seamlessly run up to a totem in the purple field while going pew pew where everyone else needs to turn about face and halt function entirely to go pick one up.

Nope, songs is all we good for, aye chief? Wants me play a song fer you, mi'lord? I can play one of thems fancy ones makes you do things. It's all I good fer anyhows.

[Musashidon]

Please refrain from snarky comments unless you actually know enough about how to properly play the job well.

what you don't get is your dps doesn't matter your boost to the other dps do.

like i said learn you job.

it doesn't matter if i am a bard or not why? because your taken as a mp/tp potion nothing else.

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mobility has nothing to do with it.

you could be up close melee or long cast bards.

you are not brought for mobility at all.

The boost we do to other dps? You mean the one song we have that affects only a third of the entire DPS cast? One that only lasts so long because of a finite pool of resource used for the song?

This guy is for real, lmao.

let's see you beat a raid without a bard when your tank/melee dps are out of tp and your healers are out of mp, and you are doing zero damage and dying because noone is getting heals.

[Volgera]

SE, just remove Empyreal Arrow and Iron Jaw from WM and we are set!!! :P

If someone want extra 20% damage just turn WM on!!

[Lewtskie]

what you don't get is your dps doesn't matter your boost to the other dps do.

like i said learn you job.

it doesn't matter if i am a bard or not why? because your taken as a mp/tp potion nothing else.

The boost we do to other dps? You mean the one song we have that affects only a third of the entire DPS cast? One that only lasts so long because of a finite pool of resource used for the song?

This guy is for real, lmao.

And way to entirely miss what I said. But of course, you chose to ignore that, since it was an actual point that you couldn't contest.

This is just taking the piss.

let's see you beat a raid without a bard when your tank/melee dps are out of tp and your healers are out of mp, and you are doing zero damage and dying because noone is getting heals.

NAH MAN, you said it yourself that only the boost we do to other DPS do is what matters. Don't backpedal.

[Intellion]

what you don't get is your dps doesn't matter your boost to the other dps do.

like i said learn you job.

it doesn't matter if i am a bard or not why? because your taken as a mp/tp potion nothing else.



mobility has nothing to do with it.

you could be up close melee or long cast bards.

you are not brought for mobility at all.

No. Just, no.

You have proven that you have no idea what you're saying.

We are only taken as "MP/TP pots?"

Wrong.

We are taken as a DPS class to fill in a DPS slot to pump out DPS like the other three DPS slots. Songs are just there as a safety measure. Sometimes, parties even rely on our mobility to handle mechanics while maintaining DPS.

I don't need to "learn" my job, because I have mastered it already.

Perhaps you should learn not to comment stupid things on subjects you know nothing about.

And why not level Bard to 60, or something? Then take it to raids. Might teach you a thing or two.

I just find it asinine that non-Bards who have never played or mained the class are going into Bard feedback threads, acting all high-and-mighty, and insulting actual Bards when they don't even have a single clue about the job they're criticizing.