Ways to fix BRD and MCH in a realistic way

[meldon90]

I say just give us back our autoattack, maybe even buff WM an extra 10% or so. Quick and easy fixes and not too drastic that itll overpower BRD. TBH, given the urgency of this, I wouldnt expect much more. Later on I wouldnt mind some mobility back. Maybe leave Heavy Shot instant so we can at least do some DPS on the move. I mean even BLMs have their Scathe. I also wouldnt be againt the idea thats been going around of WM having increasing buff the more you stand still. Just please no stance dancing... thatd just be horrible!

Not sure about MCH but hopefully they change them a bit more. Theyre so damned similar to BRDs they got the same exact freaking problem. Its better just they fix it for now but please do something different.

This is what i'm hoping the bards will understand, i totally support changes like the ones you are saying.

Please now follow me, i am no lvl 60 bard, i'm really stupid and all but take some time to really think about what i am going to say.
SE made a pretty clear choice with Gauss Barrel and Wanderer's Minuet and that is: "We don't want ranged physical classes being able to move everywhere, everytime in total freedom"

Why they made this choice? (The bomb is coming)

If you ever played another DPS other than bard in 2.0 you should have noticed that being a bard in AOE heavy fights was an easier job than being any other DPS in the same situation.
I think that is the reason, and i also think you'll not have your mobility back (and i agree with that)

Thats why i think Wanderer and Gauss could be reconsidered about many aspects but not about the mobility, that is totally cool from my point of view.

[StouterTaru]

One way they can fix MCH? Boost the damage bonus from GB. There's absolutely no reason a full-time GB barely pulls ahead (and I'm talking 1-3% more dps here, under the absolute perfect circumstances, like a target dummy) of not using GB at all.

This is the majority of the issue, using GB/WM 100% uptime has no damage boost. 20% damage boost for loss of auto-attack is a neutral move, and you lose mobility when you do it. Just like every other job in the game, building your rotation around using the new skills as much as possible isn't optimal.

[Musashidon]

This is the majority of the issue, using GB/WM 100% uptime has no damage boost.

lucky for you you're not supose to.

[Kayote]

Thats why i think Wanderer and Gauss could be reconsidered about many aspects but not about the mobility, that is totally cool from my point of view.

Id be fine with that. Like ive said before, mobility was never really a thing for me. Frankly I think its overpowered in itself to be able to all but completely bypass one of the very few punishing mechanics in the game. More importantly, im tired of being pigeon-holed into a role that doesnt exist. BRDs support role is a relic of 1.0 and not even that exclusive anymore. I may not like WM in its current form but I like the direction SE meant to go with it and hope the improve on it.

[Lillia]

When was the last time you failed a pull and said, "Damn, I wish we had a TP song going then. We would've cleared it for sure."

Uh just a few days ago when our healer ran out of MP in a fight I literally said this as I was playing foes instead, then the attempt where I ballad here and there = win and I also said it that time when my group did a big pull and the healer's mp went dry as they healed the pull! Oh and that one time.... nah I think you get it.... >_>

I do however play foes whenever I am with a healer or caster unless the heals change to CS even once as there are heals who still do DPS and help take stuff down faster.

And if you haven't noticed, a few heals have been running out of MP a bit faster since around lvl 51.

As far as TP goes, it's not needed right now because there is no real TP stress fight atm, All we have is two EX primals right now. Two primals who I may add yes, need a dps check but if you have ninjas hey they can goad each other and mnks should be able to restore their TP more now.

When Alexander comes, we'll see how much they can supply themselves and if SE feels it's to the point where bard isn't needed for a thing then it'll be tweaked.

[Fynlar]

Do you remember the 2.0 speedruns? Yes? Do you remember why people wanted bards? No?

Foe Requiem, thats the answer, so what? Still going to tell me that bards main focus is mobility?

Actually, I don't remember it taking long for people to figure out that 2 BLMs for a speedrun worked a lot better than BLM+BRD.

For me it was kinda common sense from the start.

[Vyshan]

lucky for you you're not supose to.

So.. what then? We're supposed to just toggle it on and off every 20 seconds to use the skills that require it and refresh that fast?
The amount of downtime generated by toggling the stupid thing on and off is staggering.

[Dragoon4life]

Honestly I don't use it or have yet to see other bards use it as well. 20% isn't really ground breaking enough to use. Also it make the class NOT FUN.

[micheleuno]

I think the main problem is that now we loose our mobility, but we didn't win anything, i mean before we hit less than other dps classes, but our damage was constant, but now we make marginally more damage IN PERFECT CONDITIONS.
So if they won't give our mobility back, they should make Wanderer worth it, and that will mean a heavy damage increase.
I think a solution would be make the new spells usable without the Wanderer, but with cast, that way we can choose the moment to stand and cast them.

[DarkRain]

Gauss Shot and reassemble dont stack........ I have a great rotation opening burst can do about 8k damage combined then it putters out until CDs are back . But ive found GS and reassemble for some reason dont work