Endgame toxicity

[Tadacho]

Keep in mind that the majority of the player base are nowhere near that level of content. Wait until the normal players who have jobs and don't live with their parents get to 60.

I hate this kind of statement. It's on par with one "type" of gay person bashing another "type" of gay person within their own LGBT community. We're all gamers at the end of the day, and we're all in this together doing something we enjoy and perhaps love. Why make such generalising sweeping statements? Are well-adjusted, hard-working, independent individuals also not capable of being hardcore endgame gamers or is that reserved for "basement-dwellers" only? Get a grip.

I know you're probably being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but this kind of attitude is more toxic than what the OP is describing and is a big problem within the gaming community as a whole.

[Peekachu33]

Hear hear! I work 5-7 hours each day, even Sundays. I also work out six days a week, I'm married and I have a reasonably active social life. I'm in full i179 on DRK and will have WHM fully geared and feared in about a week. I'd never join a hardcore raiding guild because I don't like those kind of extra obligations or commitments to an already regimented schedule. Still, I have every intent to play and see all the content and it certainly doesn't take me long to get to that point.

[Lewtskie]

In the current content one weak or derping link breaks the whole chain. Hell, I even joined a 6/8 "guaranteed clear for a FC member" party and they derped all over the place and passed maybe half the dps checks (BRD and MCH in that particular party, make of that what you will).

I've content myself with knowing that I'll not be touching BisEx until SE rolls out whatever tweaks they hinted at with BRD. It kinda sucks, but I'm not about to deal with shit and I'm certainly not gonna try and defend my shit cause I know we ain't matchin' with the rest, lol.

[Sartori]

Like I said DF has been the downfall of this game, plain and simple. Back in the good old days we use to get a party together and grind away till we new the fight and beat it. There absolutely no comradery anymore in the game.....

[randysquirrel]

it is a sad state of affairs, but it's not surprising.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been in a party, a pug comes in, the bonus comes up and they say "but I know the fight" and then wipe on first mechanic. ie trying to sneak into a farm for a carry. those are the people to blame for the current situation.
OP you say how it is early for these PFs to be appearing, with the content still being new... but by that logic, as it's still new there must be plenty of people who haven't cleared yet. Why don't you run with them?

[Elim]

Hear hear! I work 5-7 hours each day, even Sundays. I also work out six days a week, I'm married and I have a reasonably active social life. I'm in full i179 on DRK and will have WHM fully geared and feared in about a week. I'd never join a hardcore raiding guild because I don't like those kind of extra obligations or commitments to an already regimented schedule. Still, I have every intent to play and see all the content and it certainly doesn't take me long to get to that point.

+1 to you!

I have a fulltime job and a busy life(mostly kept busy by the family), yet I'm leveling a second battle class to 60 already. I'm also in a raid group. I do it by sticking to a (raid) schedule. If I couldn't fit in time to relax and do something I like then I'd go crazy!

My raid leader is a pharmacist who works even more hours than I do. My raid groups bard is a father of two with a full time job. My raid groups BLM is a loving husband with a full time job. All of them have level 60s already.

This "basement dweller no-lifer" stereotype is old. Not sure why it's still a thing.

[SpiritTamer]

I hate this kind of statement. It's on par with one "type" of gay person bashing another "type" of gay person within their own LGBT community. We're all gamers at the end of the day, and we're all in this together doing something we enjoy and perhaps love. Why make such generalising sweeping statements? Are well-adjusted, hard-working, independent individuals also not capable of being hardcore endgame gamers or is that reserved for "basement-dwellers" only? Get a grip.

I know you're probably being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but this kind of attitude is more toxic than what the OP is describing and is a big problem within the gaming community as a whole.

I am also bothered by that comment. I am disabled and live with my parents. I can't ever work or live on my own, so I spend my time playing this game. Comments like that have always bothered me because I feel like it's wrong for me to have a disability and spend my time playing this game.

[Colt47]

Well, reading the responses after my last posting, I think there needs to be some light shined on the entire ordeal. The "Toxicity" people are seeing is a result of problem solving gone horribly wrong (much like what is going on in the economy of balmung for land and airships). The game is trying to teach people that in order to progress, one must master their class and master the encounter for which they are attempting to complete. Raid encounters take this a step further and expect not one, but all players involved to have mastery over their class and their role in the encounter, as well as the ability to coordinate with others.

However, a problem with this is that the system does not encourage us to want to backtrack and teach others. As we progress, we set our bar higher and higher for the community we wish to pair off with and our social advancement isn't as predictable as the learning curve of actual encounters. Some people socially progress to the point of setting up scheduled LS or FC runs, while others get to end game and never really get that far, so they start using the tools they are familiar with such as shout / PF to find people, not realizing this isn't going to get people on their perceived level of play.

Then there are others who can't do LS / FC scheduled runs because of real life even though they ARE socially advanced enough to do so, and they get stuck in the same boat. The reality is that if developers want a game with mass appeal to not be toxic, they have to accept that the social requirements of fights must be low enough that a random group can go in and tackle the content. Setting up hardmode content and rewarding people for completing those challenges is fine, but it's meant for a more focused group of people and will cause all sorts of grief within the mass population they are trying to truly appeal to. The only reason this has never been addressed in MMORPGs to date outside of WoW is because developers tend to not think about the community in these terms from what I've seen. They are only concerned with how to prevent exit conditions (which are actually healthy for a community since players will come back if the game is good).

[seekified]

It is not SE's job to babysit elitist nerds. If PF isn't doing it for you (and I will agree the experience in PF is pretty damn sad at times) then a supportive FC with a decent amount of skilled and friendly players is the way to go. These do exist, I promise.

[Colt47]

It is not SE's job to babysit elitist nerds. If PF isn't doing it for you (and I will agree the experience in PF is pretty damn sad at times) then a supportive FC with a decent amount of skilled and friendly players is the way to go. These do exist, I promise.

It is SE's problem because they designed a breeding ground for it.