Endgame toxicity

[Havenae]

I hate to say it.. but the attitude of most players in this game now, are worse than those in WoW.

Sure WoW has it's fair share of elitist pricks, but they're spread out far enough over such a much larger playerbase that you can avoid them pretty often. Here it's just so concentrated. And to be honest with you,. its going to eventually be extremely detrimental to this game, not just from a player standpoint but it will effect the game's business as well.

So people can sit and be little assholes and think they're something special because they cleared this or that in a video game. But dont come crying later because your favorite MMO had to stop shelling out so much content or in the extreme case go F2P because your behavior keeps driving new players away. And yes it can and does.

[LTEvil]

So they have time to spend hours farming. But not spend 10 to 15 minutes teaching a new player about an EX fight. That's some lovely logic.

Since you are being aggressive I'll be too in kind. Logic? Are you not good at it? Time spent farming is completely up to me and relying on me. 10-15 minutes to teach someone? Where do you get that delusion? Let's take bis ex. It take 5-7 minutes for a complete clear if remember right. So you are implying after we explain the fight. May be take 2-3 minutes depending on player. We go through maybe one run and then the guy is ready to clear? That's called a carry. You paying for this? You giving me something? Why does my time have to be spent teaching some random?

[Spawnie]

not just end game lol i was fishing in sea of clouds earlier and the amount of fightin on shout cause some1 was farming giraffe skins while some1 else was there... heres a little preview of how it started

player 1 - i was here first why dont you ???? off, go do somethin instead of wasting my ????ing time trying to farm ????ing skins
player 2 - excuse me??
player 1 - you heard me.. i was here first now ???? off and let me ????ing farm in peace

i was laughing my head off at the drama but it was disgusting how some people treat others in game

[Miya_Carbuncle]

I hate to say it.. but the attitude of most players in this game now, are worse than those in WoW.

Sure WoW has it's fair share of elitist pricks, but they're spread out far enough over such a much larger playerbase that you can avoid them pretty often. Here it's just so concentrated. And to be honest with you,. its going to eventually be extremely detrimental to this game, not just from a player standpoint but it will effect the game's business as well.

So people can sit and be little assholes and think they're something special because they cleared this or that in a video game. But dont come crying later because your favorite MMO had to stop shelling out so much content or in the extreme case go F2P because your behavior keeps driving new players away. And yes it can and does.

Woah, the community isn't toxic at all excluding a few rude people here and there. :l Either that or your database stinks and mine is pretty awesome.

People are so overly dramatic here, really. x___x

[FallenArisen0990]

When I join these types of parties, I go in with a 0 tolerance because rude people need to taught a lesson so I will look for anything to either blacklist or report.

[Elazu]

Okay okay, this will sound completely crazy to you guys, but here goes: How about you guys create your own learning party on PF?

Not every party is there JUST for you, to carry you through content in which you yourself don't want to put any effort.

[RyuRoots]

Okay okay, this will sound completely crazy to you guys, but here goes: How about you guys create your own learning party on PF?

Not every party is there JUST for you, to carry you through content in which you yourself don't want to put any effort.

You people really have no reading comprehension whatsoever, do you? The point is for people to not be such whiny mingebags about their precious farming, especially when content is so new. Not that "omg this isn't a party I want to join". As a matter of fact, the accusation of wanting easy clears/carries is something the OP outright stated towards the people that MAKE these hostilely-worded PFs. Seriously, try actually reading a post before replying to it.

[Theodric]

A simple solution would be to allow people to use the duty finder to queue up for any content that they wish to tackle. Then the party finder can be used for whatever limits people wish to put into place without locking out people who are competent, willing to learn but don't have any actual experience due to a lack of opportunities.

[Lewtskie]

You people really have no reading comprehension whatsoever, do you? The point is for people to not be such whiny mingebags about their precious farming, especially when content is so new. Not that "omg this isn't a party I want to join". As a matter of fact, the accusation of wanting easy clears/carries is something the OP outright stated towards the people that MAKE these hostilely-worded PFs. Seriously, try actually reading a post before replying to it.

Only person to start whining was the OP and it was certainly about all dem Farm Parties.

It's impossible to find a group that will even give you the time of day if it's your first time doing a fight, people just want easy mode.

Whining about no learning parties.

The whole if you die, you're out mentality is completely retarded ontop of that, these fights are a little over a week old and people are just starting to hit endgame that didn't rush to 60. (Unlike me.. /cough )

More whining, but this time about the conditions people place in PF.

But seriously? I've beat Bismark EX once, and it was at ilvl 160, and we had no serious issues, took a couple of tries, but we did fine, now people just seem to be wanting a group to easily carry them through these primal battles? I tried one of the Ravana EX groups earlier (One with the 3 strike rule) Leader died 8 times and was probably the worst geared of everyone there.

Now we get to that other point, but it certainly comes out of left field and wasn't before bitching about the fact that she couldn't find certain parties, cause god forbid people want to do things their way. Personally find it silly to take something so seriously, but what makes them whiney about wanting no shit/straight to business/get it done?

Also, yes, not every party that demands clears and exp is not a carry group, paranoid as you people are.

P.S. No Reading Comprehension; first couple lines of the OP; just leaving this here.

[Peekachu33]

My anecdotal story. I'm currently out of a FC; I won't jump into one lightly and I'd rather be "unguilded" than in a FC I don't care for. As a result, I'm forced to use PF and the friends list to complete raid content. It works out well. Now, regarding Bismarck EX, the only way I was able to get a clear was when I politely enforced restrictions. Melee dps and SMN only. We downed the whale on the first try. The DRG was new, even, but had been to phase 3 before. It was quite epic actually, a bunch of us wiped on phase 4 and it was just me and a monk. I went into full on zombie mode (iZombie reference) and distracted the adds, without heals, for 10s while the MNK finished off Moby Dick with a LVL 1 LB.

Can Bismarck EX be done with a full range of DPS? Of course. However, anyone with a parser or common sense can see that it's simply easier for certain classes to push out raw burst than others since HW came along. I'm empathetic as to the reasons why, however, I don't have to dedicate my scarce gaming time and the time of others to teaching/ praying/ hoping others can maximize their roles. It's a development issue, too--not wholly player error or a learning curve. I just wanted to get that content out of the way and this was the "potential" path of least resistance. Sure, people can still suck, but at least I'd done everything numerically possible to ensure a win after bashing my head against that fight for days (and literally never missing a step).

In the current content one weak or derping link breaks the whole chain. Hell, I even joined a 6/8 "guaranteed clear for a FC member" party and they derped all over the place and passed maybe half the dps checks (BRD and MCH in that particular party, make of that what you will).