Endgame toxicity

[h0tNstilettos]

Yes, it's pretty toxic. It's also called laziness. No one wants to take the time to explain the fight in steps. But what you should be doing if you can't find one is to start a party finder group of your own, like maybe a so and so learning party.

[Dement]

Also literally anyone can say "i've researched the fight, I know the fight" when they have not. Years of abuse by lazy, sorry players has lead to intolerance. Slack jawed, glassy eyed maggots that want to ride on your coat-tails to loot and glory have been plaguing the PuG scene and the tolerance for wipes and failures and newbs has long since been erased.

While the wording is a little strong, unfortunately this is what caused a lot of the toxicity in the endgame community. Most of the people who are in the end game scene or have been through ARR are well aware of how often this happens:

You set up a clear/farm party stating your intentions and that it's not a learning party, although you don't really talk about kicking people or disbanding the group under failing conditions. 5 people join instantly and the 6 of you wait for 20 minutes trying to fill the last 2 slots. Finally, 30 minutes later you're ready to go in. You enter and the new person bonus pops up. Okay whatever, you've waited this long you may as well give it a go, after all you said in your comment that prior knowledge of the fight is required. Players X and Y proceed to wipe/fail mechanics A, B, mostly C, and definitely D, all within the first minute and a half of the fight. After the inevitable full party wipe, you ask them what's going on and they tell you "I've never been in here before and I don't like to spoil myself by researching a fight ahead of time." At this point Player Z quits the instance and the abandon ship mentality immediately takes hold. So now 45 minutes later you've ran the fight for a minute and a half and you have maybe 2 or 3 people still in your party, likely the people who didn't know the fight.

It happens, it still does happen, and it gets old REALLY fast if you're at a level where you can clear/farm the content. So slowly you become a little more hostile everytime you make your PF comment, trying to discourage this type of behavior.

[Rajeme]

It's fine to make the rules since it's PF and they can make do with it.

But the wording is rude and unattractive. If I was a customer, I would never ever buy products from such advertisement. If I was their boss, they sure as hell will get their asses-kicked.

If they have brain, they could make their party much more comfortable and others much more pleasant.

[Wavaryen]

It's fine to make the rules since it's PF and they can make do with it.

But the wording is rude and unattractive. If I was a customer, I would never ever buy products from such advertisement. If I was their boss, they sure as hell will get their asses-kicked.

If they have brain, they could make their party much more comfortable and others much more pleasant.

But, they want to find other like minded players who agree with them to join the group. So to them it does not matter, they are not making a group to enjoy and make friends. They want to get the job done as fast as they can.

[Selli]

End game has always been like this, though. It was like this for every single primal EX in ARR, it was like this for every set of Coil turns. It's not going to go away any time soon. Once people start clearing, they want to start farming.

[Krissey]

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And this story, for some of us, who have been doing this raiding thing since 2008 (WLK, I mostly just leveled and derped in BC. I had like 3 70's all in greens and never ran 1 dungeon LOL) this situation has happened so many times over 6 years you just want things to actually work out.

Not to mention people who have been playing since EQ or Ultima or whatever and have been doing raiding for 10+ years, 15+ years. Imagine how long ago "I'm a newb and I'm the reason your group fell apart after waiting for 2 hours for it to form" got old.

[Viridiana]

Is this just a problem on my server? or is FFXIV endgame's community really this bad, and new-to-endgame hostile?

Also, SE this isn't twitter+, 1000 characters is kinda hilarious..

Huh? I literally just cleared Bismark a few hours ago in PF on Balmung. In a learning party. A party that, from what I can tell, filled pretty durn fast.

Also, if you edit your post you can bypass the 1k limit. Silly workarounds to draconian restrictions.

Edit: Just tabbed back into game and see 2 Bismark learning parties up. Granted, the Ravana party is saying that a law message=disband and that they'll be using a Mr Happy strategy, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

[Velisra]

Cool, I never knew that~

@Azper

That's not my point, I'm saying the majority of people doing endgame content seem to have this kind of mentality. FFXIV seems to be seriously bad for it, I never really noticed this issue being so prominent in other MMO communities (From the small handful I've played at least) I did start a Bismark EX 2 nights ago to help a LS mate get clear, and both the tanks that joined immediately started conspiring to change it from a clear to farm party.. got the clear, after one of them left because we wiped at 10%ish a couple times.. but it kinda ruined the mood.

This is exactly why, as a new player (with my first character at 51 and still not yet done with the level 50 content) I'm not in a huge rush to get to HW at all. These types of folks who make end-game content into a job are in every game. They were in WoW when I left, and they were much of the reason that I never did instanced group content in WoW. I wasn't willing to put up with the elitists and trolls in group content to play the game. I didn't have to do it there to play the game, but apparently I must do it in FF to clear the story content.

That pretty much sucks if there are going to be elitists in group content. Perhaps I'll never get to finish the story in HW until it's "old content" like ARR content is now, when everyone is on to the next xpac and only runs the old content once daily to get the xp and currencies. /shrug There are plenty of things to do in FF, though I supposed there's a possibility that I'll run out of things to do and then have to unsub and play something else. It is quite sad that people have to be elitist jerks over a game.

[Rajeme]

But, they want to find other like minded players who agree with them to join the group. So to them it does not matter, they are not making a group to enjoy and make friends. They want to get the job done as fast as they can.

You don't need to be rude to find like-minded people. You don't need to be friends to be nice to others. Actually it doesn't cost them anything to change the attitude. Do they speak that way with their parents/friends/colleagues/ strangers? I doubt. If not, why brings it online?

And also, be nice will get people join them faster, and with gratitudes.

[FrejyaAthenes]

Really? And here I thought this community was suppose better than most mmos.

Unfortunately, there's no such thing. All communities are made up by people, after all.