Endgame toxicity

[BreathlessTao]

...lol at this issue. As if it was anything new or recent or even surprising. Pretty much since the game launched, this is basically all I've seen in PFs on multiple servers. "Screw up and we hunt down your entire family" - that's the attitude everywhere with everything. Nobody's giving you a chance to actually learn, but then if you're bad, you're the worst scum of the earth and how dare you even exist. /thumbsup

And just like someone who has no clear of a certain duty joins what's specifically advertised as a farming party, pretty much every time, the same way do veterans with dozens of kills under their belt join a learning party - even if it's with the intention to teach, they're gonna be jerks about it more often than not. Thing is though: someone doesn't have the achievement or the weapon - does that tell you they actually can't do the fight? How do you know they haven't been in 50 different groups, getting to just a few % of winning, but ending up wiping several times? How do you know it was their fault?

[Krissey]

The reason is simple. In the PuG environment, everyone assumes everyone else has already beaten the fight and can carry each other through the fight. So the minute something goes wrong it goes from "ez carry' to "crap now I have to try hard to make this work, well if I wanted to do that I'd join a static and put 40 hours a week into raiding! Why can't these idiots carry me? They've already done the fight right?"

Also literally anyone can say "i've researched the fight, I know the fight" when they have not. Years of abuse by lazy, sorry players has lead to intolerance. Slack jawed, glassy eyed maggots that want to ride on your coat-tails to loot and glory have been plaguing the PuG scene and the tolerance for wipes and failures and newbs has long since been erased.

[Issac]

It's a mess that needs to be fixed.

The only ones that can fix it are ourselves. As a community we need to decide to be better people. We need to remember that there's real humans behind the pixels and take a moment to consider compassion. It's not that hard. I do it every day, in fact, most of the EN community on Masamune is rather compassionate, there's only a few bad apples. And guess what? They're not very popular. Go figure.

But over on the NA side of things, it's sad to hear how rare they are. Most people seem to be out for themselves. It breaks my heart.

Get your crap together, NA server group. Learn to care for needs other than your own. You're not the only one playing, this is a MMO.

[Snugglebutt]

The irony is a lot of people who set up those parties with their restrictions and demands are made by people who end up being carried by the rest of the group and kick up a storm if they are the ones falling behind in DPS or dying when someone mentions they should get kicked according to their own PF rules. Personally I think they should of just added EX modes to DF, despite the negative connotations people have with DF the reality is I have had almost as much success with DF groups as I have with PF ones.

[Wavaryen]

Really? And here I thought this community was suppose better than most mmos.

Well, whatever people are right that it is their group they have a right to make it how they want... Even though it does leave a bad taste in the mouth for people who enjoy grouping, and want to try even if it is first time.

[Hiraki]

Honestly that's what the PF is there for. It can accommodate different people/play styles, if people want to farm, let them. If you want to learn then nothing is stopping you from creating your own. Every one has the ability and rights to create any type of PF they want and accept any player they see fit.

[lvlagmarink]

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That's still descent, i've seen worse like
"Helping for a friend to get a clear, 100% EXP, WIPE = KICK"

There are no sort of things that could justify this as someone want others to perform a carry but the maker doesnt want to carry others..

Personally I think they should of just added EX modes to DF, despite the negative connotations people have with DF the reality is I have had almost as much success with DF groups as I have with PF ones.

I second this.. I actually got more wins from Random DFs despite many failure attempts rather than countless PF..

The reason is simple. In the PuG environment, everyone assumes everyone else has already beaten the fight and can carry each other through the fight. So the minute something goes wrong it goes from "ez carry' to "crap now I have to try hard to make this work, well if I wanted to do that I'd join a static and put 40 hours a week into raiding! Why can't these idiots carry me? They've already done the fight right?"

Also literally anyone can say "i've researched the fight, I know the fight" when they have not. Years of abuse by lazy, sorry players has lead to intolerance. Slack jawed, glassy eyed maggots that want to ride on your coat-tails to loot and glory have been plaguing the PuG scene and the tolerance for wipes and failures and newbs has long since been erased.

There are times that i'm imagining these people who join into these PFs are fractions of people on different statics, i've joined several statics when there are someone or the leader who would read up the boss' rotation.. However since the leaders are offline and noone read it from them in these PFs, these people just failed badly while comparing their performance to their statics one which runs very smoothly.. While i cant claim this theory to be true, that's just how i feel because i've seen people from the before mention statics without the leaders and they are like headless chickens..

[zcrash970]

I don't see the problem. It is a farm group meaning that the party leader wants fast and easy clears. More than likely a person that doesn't have a clear can't do that.

[Caraway]

This is a sad truth. I, personally, never join these parties even if I have something flawlessly on farm. As has been stated; often time it's someone looking to be carried and not a group looking to efficiently farm.

That and I'd rather fail a bunch of times laughing, than win with a boring group (and these people are routinely boring).

[Snugglebutt]

That's still descent, i've seen worse like
"Helping for a friend to get a clear, 100% EXP, WIPE = KICK"

There are no sort of things that could justify this as someone want others to perform a carry but the maker doesnt want to carry others..

I do see that a lot these days. Hence my previous comment somewhat alluded to such instances. In the end I will probably make my own PF for it when I get around to trying it like I used to do for older content but I would still have preferred SE added them to DF for those who do not want to go through the hassle of having to deal with the sort of people who create such PF parties as you mentioned.