Equilibrium vs. Clemency

[Abigs]

Not a bad POV, but getting interrupted mid-cast is rare. In Titan HM and EX for example, I can Stoneskin myself prior to every mountain buster despite the fact that he gives you 2 punches to the face immediately before MB (In HM--I don't think he consistently does the punches in EX?). In The Vault last week I was tanking the boss and able to save my healer using Clemency.

assuming no interrupts, i really think that precast stoneskin is still more efficient (when tanking) since it only costs 600-700 mana and you need not worry on overheals nor the timing since you can cast stoneskin before during or after the tank buster (not all healers precast stoneskin)

again assuming no interrupts clemency is fine.. but will guzzle most of your mana.. you'll worry on overheals and if you cast it early it'll just go to waste

[stoxastic]

Equilibrium gives a big heal instantly in between GCD and you don't need to stop attacking. Took too much damage? O shit equilibrium can save ur ass, and it cannot be interrupted. Clemency you have to stop attacking to cast it (3 seconds) and you run the very real risk of getting it interrupted while tanking.

Cast interruptions are a function of physical damage dealt as a % of HP. Of course a Titan HM autoattack isn't going to interrupt you, it hits like a wet noodle. Try casting PLD stoneskin in T13 with no echo in i110 gear, every auto will interrupt you. In any content that matters, if you're casting Clemency/Stoneskin while tanking a hard hitting raid boss expect to be interrupted by auto attacks.

[Cabalabob]

Along with all the things people have said about clemency, cast time, interrupts, huge MP cost. It also stops you blocking or parrying while you're casting it.

WAR also gets far higher attack power than PLD so there's that. With convalescence on my clemency crit for about 6k, from what I'm hearing that's the least a WAR is going to do with equilibrium.

[praysolace]

i am the only one who thinks WAR lvl 60 skill is VERY RARELY useful at all? 95% of the time fellcleave is the better choice over it. do you guys found any use for that skill yet?

I'm level 59, but isn't the potency greater than Fell Cleave's if there are two or more enemies?

[SpookyGhost]

I'm level 59, but isn't the potency greater than Fell Cleave's if there are two or more enemies?

Yep. 2+ and Decimate is best. Good for add phases, such as the Vanus in Bismarck EX or any butterflies near Ravana.

[GeekMatt]

Cast interruptions are a function of physical damage dealt as a % of HP.

I didn't know this but assumed it had to be along those lines, thank you.

assuming no interrupts, i really think that precast stoneskin is still more efficient (when tanking) since it only costs 600-700 mana and you need not worry on overheals nor the timing since you can cast stoneskin before during or after the tank buster (not all healers precast stoneskin)

again assuming no interrupts clemency is fine.. but will guzzle most of your mana.. you'll worry on overheals and if you cast it early it'll just go to waste

Yeah I wasn't suggesting Clemecy in place of Stoneskin, just showing my experience with casts not being interupted as a PLD. Stoneskin is something I've used a lot in the past as mt and ot. So again, Clemency interrupts aren't a major concern. As for the loss of mitigation during cast, that's a good point, but when saving my healer with a 3000 HP heal, I get 1500 back which should balance it just fine. I wouldn't worry about overheals as a PLD, and mp isn't a concern unless I'm needing to spam flash.

Again their both valid, but Clemecy definitely better suits my love of a support play-style, saving not just myself but the party. And these arguments in favour of equilibrium show how well the skill was built to suit the WAR MO, not interrupting DPS, etc.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

How much does Clemency actually get interrupted?

If its anything like casting Stoneskin it will get interrupted any time you get hit for a high enough amount. When I played Pld in 2.0, I could spam SS in dungeons while taking damage but vs primals (Shiva specifically) I would get interrupted on hit.

[Izsha]

Equalibrium also doubles as a better invigorate in deliverance. 200 tp every min. As it is instant, it can be used as a reactive ability. "Oh crap I'm about to die: hit button. Not dead anymore." Plds has to be done more carefully due to the cast time and cost.

Instant, stacks with zerk, costs nothing, doubles as tp battery.
Cast time, stacks with conv, costs a lot, doubles as a party heal (returns half if cast on another)

It's fine. They both suit their respective jobs very well and are different enough that they don't serve the same purpose anyway.

[SirTaint]

If its anything like casting Stoneskin it will get interrupted any time you get hit for a high enough amount. When I played Pld in 2.0, I could spam SS in dungeons while taking damage but vs primals (Shiva specifically) I would get interrupted on hit.

It is not nearly as bad as SS. There is some sort of -interrupt element to clemency.

[rawker]

No interrupts under Hallowed Ground. You have 10 sec of invulnerability and surecast-ish Clemencies to aid the healers from dps that ain't pulling their weight.