Equilibrium vs. Clemency

[Kiteless]

If you want to make either refresh ability look really good, just compare it to DRK's "equivalent," Sole Survivor. twice the cooldown, weaker refresh, and a Mercy Stroke-like requirement.

You might say that it was intended to function closer to mercy stroke than each tank's respective self-restoration ability, but I imagine its intended raiding properties will be closer to the later than the former.

[Koenignovi]

I've used Clemency in conjunction with Divine Veil a couple times. I havent been interrupted as of yet, as I use the combo during AoE mechanics that require party defense, so the boss/mob isnt hitting me directly. I'd imagine knockbacks and the like would cause interruptions. Divine Veil + Clemency is a good 30sec combo too. And at 58, I have roughly 4k MP which allows for 2.6ish casts of the spells. So dropping shieldtron in the middle of casts helps restore the remaining MP.

[Marxam]

If Equilibrium works like Second Wind then Berserk will buff it's effect and maybe crit it as well? Equilibrium also heals tp in Deliverance every 60 seconds. Lets put it this way:

Invigorate DRG = 500 tp/120 secs
Equilibrium = 200 tp/60 secs * 2 = 400 tp/120 secs

[Dement]

If Equilibrium works like Second Wind then Berserk will buff it's effect and maybe crit it as well? Equilibrium also heals tp in Deliverance every 60 seconds. Lets put it this way:

Invigorate DRG = 500 tp/120 secs
Equilibrium = 200 tp/60 secs * 2 = 400 tp/120 secs

Berserk absolutely does affect Equilibrium. I normally use it for 2.5-3kish but with Berserk on it does around 5k. With a crit and berserk I've done about 6.5k heal on myself.

[Whymes]

Yeah, don't forget the tp healing and berserk bonuses. Really I think theyre balanced pretty well. I find equilibrium was actually one of the better skills... Paladin and warrior seem pretty well balanced with the updates I think.

Also, don't forget with bloodbath up a berserk+critted fell cleave heals a pretty nice amount. I don't think warriors self heal ability has been ignored at all, actually I think it's better in this update.

[praysolace]

It wasn't that I thought Warrior self-healing was ignored or nerfed or anything. It was just that I felt gypped if Paladins got a better self-heal with HW than Warriors did, when self-healing is the Warrior's schtick when it comes to absorbing big hits.

[GeekMatt]

Clemency scales off of STR. At ilvl 150 I currently heal for ~3000. I have not had my cast interrupted yet--it's always seemed to me that few things will actually interrupt a PLD cast from my experience with Stoneskin, which I've used a lot as PLD. Consecutively I can get off 2 Clemencys and have some MP left, but between Riot Blade now getting used more frequently and the MP bonus from Shelltron, we regenerate MP more regularly and a little faster than we use to (PLD note: unless you have a planned purpose for Shelltron, be using it on CD).

I definitely prefer the PLD heal to the WAR one personally, for the same reason I prefer Shield Bash over Brutal Swing BUT Clemency is really most beneficial in those heated moments of "omg that person needs a heal or they'll die!" and with a 3s cast it's probably going to fail a lot, so between the two its really a personal preference. And on another comment that was made in the OP; it wouldn't fit the job MO for WAR to heal others in the party, whereas its kind of expected of a PLD, being that we cross with CNJ.

[praysolace]

Ohai Storm. Should've known you troll around here too.

It definitely wouldn't make sense for Warriors to get a party-heal and it definitely makes sense for Paladins to. I was just miffed that this heal a Paladin could use on himself is the same potency as Equilibrium and simultaneously less restricted. The cast time may make it less of an "oh shit I am about to die" button, but you can use it a lot more often.

[GeekMatt]

Yeah, they both have their ups and downs and I wouldn't argue against further restriction on PLDs heal, or less restriction on WARs, but the way they act is definitely appropriate to their job.

And yeah, I troll here for a while until I get annoyed by all the tanks pushing for max STR, low HP/mitigation who I'm carrying through HW on my WHM (and who are preventing healer DPS, and lets face it Holy > Sword Oath for your big pulls), then I take a break for a while, and repeat.

[Windklinge]

i am the only one who thinks WAR lvl 60 skill is VERY RARELY useful at all? 95% of the time fellcleave is the better choice over it. do you guys found any use for that skill yet?