Sooooo this warrior bs...

[Casper]

Pld have a 540 potency dot (that follow an already very high potency riot blade) that can be used every 24 seconds -- on top of RA being higher potency than whatever war has by a mile, and FoF being on par with berserk overall.

I love how people are talking as if FC was doing 10k damage every time (or hell, 15k, whatever, why not, amirite ? ). Regular FC are at 4k max, thank you very much.

Also those Drk acting like if a 450 potency -- just 10% lower than FC mind you -- as an OFF GCD attack every minute was not something to consider.

It is just hilarious.

As others have said, things are pretty well balanced right now in term of DPS. Pld has a harder time navigating between stances, but has some crazy utility to compensate, which sound fair To be honest if War had to use a GCD to swap stances, Pld would be far and away the best tank currently. The focus on FC is great and all that but Pld got just as many shinies as War, and they are crazy good too right now. Drk is lacking in other areas -- utility, CD against physical, for example. In both cases, DPS is certainly not an issue when comparing tanks.

[Ragnorak]

Waaaaa Billy got 3 pieces of candy And i only got 2 *Tantrum*

[Agrieus]

To say that the potency of RA is above everything else the War has by a mile is not taking into consideration of the War's maim which can be kept up constantly. And Warriors do have burst attacks when it's all combined with berserk (you can't forget about that). A berserk with a STR potion + Fell cleave combo is a burst so don't say that War's don't have a dps burst phase. Warriors have higher offensive DPS than PLD does, and that's the way it SHOULD be, imo, because PLD's make better MT than War will ever be so if Warrior does better offensive damage overall then that levels out the balance of power. You can agree with me or not, but that's clearly what the intent was with the two jobs considering what the capabilities for each one are.

[Dement]

As has been stated before, WAR has insanely high burst with Fell Cleave but the average DPS is still right in line with PLD. (I can't speak for DRK cause I haven't played with one and I'm of the opinion that very few would be capable of using it to its full potential yet). If DRK is indeed lower then it should get a buff, not give WAR and PLD a nerf since they are so close. So no, it's not bs, it's not broken. Incredibly competent WARs and PLDs are parsing around the 800-900 DPS. Incredibly competent DPS (other than BRD and MCH which are suffering right now) are parsing at 1100-1200 DPS. One needs to look at the average DPS of a fight, not what a WAR can produce on a single hit by blowing all of their offensive CDs, using potions, and waiting for a moment when the boss takes increases slashing damage.

[AreeyaJaidee]

People I have talked to in my FC who do statics say warrior's can actually do more dps than actual dps classes. Been hearing of 10-15k fell cleave crits which is pretty crazy for a tank of all things.

See... This is why rumors are bad ideas. The 10-15k crits you talk about is one specific scenario, during ravanas vulnerability phase a war fully buffed with party buffs and str potions and food hit ravana at precisely the right time for 2 back to back Hi crits with fell cleave. Yet it gets misconstrued that WARs are going around hitting 15k on everything. I have an i172 WAR ATM and even with full buffs I'm critting around 4k-5k on reg mobs with a 180 axe bought from law.... Ppl need to get stories correct.

SE designed WAR like this intentionally, because WARs self heals are to WAR what PLD shields are to pld. The Hi dmg war does in burst is to make its play style and tanking effective. Idk why that's so hard for you ppl to comprehend. And its not just self heals, WAR ALSO has to keep hate against buffd dps, its dmg output is a big part of how it maintains threat.

So crying about WAR dps is effectively saying you want WARs style to be changed, which its just my opinion, but I don't see that happening considering how they've treated smn and schs class dependency and smn total design being kept but just tweaked minorly despite a large outcry from the playerbase to overhaul it completely.

[StouterTaru]

Actually, it's 9 GCD since you need 8 GCD to build 5 stacks, unless you "waste" a mitigation skill.

It's 8.5 if you ignore Infuriate and Berserk/Mitigation Abandon, and I said spam it, not use it once. Comes out closer to 7 in reality.

First rotation takes 3 Heavy Swing + 5 combos + cleave, 2nd rotation 2 Heavy Swing + 5 combos + cleave.

[Riastrad]

See... This is why rumors are bad ideas. The 10-15k crits you talk about is one specific scenario, during ravanas vulnerability phase a war fully buffed with party buffs and str potions and food hit ravana at precisely the right time for 2 back to back Hi crits with fell cleave. Yet it gets misconstrued that WARs are going around hitting 15k on everything. I have an i172 WAR ATM and even with full buffs I'm critting around 4k-5k on reg mobs with a 180 axe bought from law.... Ppl need to get stories correct.

SE designed WAR like this intentionally, because WARs self heals are to WAR what PLD shields are to pld. The Hi dmg war does in burst is to make its play style and tanking effective. Idk why that's so hard for you ppl to comprehend. And its not just self heals, WAR ALSO has to keep hate against buffd dps, its dmg output is a big part of how it maintains threat.

So crying about WAR dps is effectively saying you want WARs style to be changed, which its just my opinion, but I don't see that happening considering how they've treated smn and schs class dependency and smn total design being kept but just tweaked minorly despite a large outcry from the playerbase to overhaul it completely.

Haven't you heard? Warriors also account for the 90k problems and world hunger.

Fell Cleave eats up people's bandwidth to power itself up and burns calories like crazy!

[TouchandFeel]

IMO WAR is pretty much fine as is dps-wise.
MT dps for PLD and WAR is pretty close and decently balanced with PLD more sustained because of dots and WAR slightly more bursty as they do cycles of big hits.
For OT WAR does more dps than PLD but that is their niche as OT while PLD brings more defensive support and heals, so they both bring something very nice to the table as OT and are both very capable as MT and overall are different but balanced.

DRK on the other hand, well it needs some rework and tweaking to make it able to stand with the other two tanks. Also some streamlining to make them feel more smooth to play.

[SirTaint]

The one thing holding PLD back at the moment are fights like Ravana EX where you cannot get all your Goring Blade ticks during his Liberation casts, which ends up lowering your over all DPS. If the boss doesn't jump frequently or have short burst phases, PLD is very competitive with WAR in terms of damage done.

Do the tics do less damage after Liberation? Most DoTs are a snap shot of their initial application.

And yes PLD is very competitive vs a WAR. WAR still has the burst and AoE advantage which good WARs will use to gain on any parse.

[Reynhart]

It's 8.5 if you ignore Infuriate and Berserk/Mitigation Abandon, and I said spam it, not use it once. Comes out closer to 7 in reality.

Still, in those 7-8 GCD, DRK can accumulate more potency. As we said, WAR has pretty huge burst phase for those 15s of Berserk+Infuriate, but for the 45 seconds remaining, their output is pretty much behind the other tanks.

And if we make proper calculation, the average number of the three will surely be pretty close.
It's exatcly how MNK and DRG were before 3.0. DRG can burst everything to do big numbers, but in the long run, the steady DPS of MNK make them almost equal. (Haven't tested DPS post 50, though)

But, don't worry, all WARs out there, you don't need to convince everyone that you're the best tank ever. We all love the buffs and debuffs you bring to the raid and the short burst of damage you can do push these DPS check a little faster.