Sooooo this warrior bs...

[Cervani]

You know, I can understand SE wanting to take it slow on the fixes...especially with dark knight. The expansion just having been released.

So I can also understand that with drk getting such scrutiny, any bugs will be fixed immediately pretty much. This was confirmed with some bug with DA being fixed immediately.

But then I saw the one tiny change to warrior. Yes the healing needed fixed, badly. But nothing was said or done about the stupidly high damage warrior is putting out with Fell cleave and deliverance. It's gotten so bad on my server that I have people eschewing other tanks and ONLY taking warriors because of their obscenely high damage for a tank. Even more hilarious is the whole hushhush thing people who plays wars are doing to try and keep it quiet (e.g. the reddit thread fiasco).

Either the other tanks need to be brought in line dps wise, or warrior needs to be brought back in line. I can understand the want to be OP, I really do... but it still needs fixed.

[MinhSa]

Dark arts and Raw intuition were patched because they weren't working as intended
Not all warriors are doing tons of dps, and not all drks/pld are low in dps

[Alphras]

Does WAR actually do more dps? From what I have seen up until now, at least PLD is up there on the same level. Don't know about DRK after the Dark Arts patch.

[Casper]

Snip

Pld and Drk are able to output just as much dps than warriors in off tank stance -- Hell, Pld most likely outdps warrior if you consider that they can spam RA and never use RoH. Fell cleave is a very potent attack, but there is a reason it represents close to 25% of a warrior's dps: the rest of our damage is quite lower. Pld has a stupidly OP dps stance that give them tons of free damage, and Drk has tons of Off-Gcd powerful attacks, to the point that their burst damage is actually matching War one.

The DPS of all tanks is fine. The big advantage War has over other tanks in terms of DPS is the ease with which they can swap between stances compared to other tanks, making it much more convenient to stance dance on the fly. Then again, that's pretty much their defining features at this point, much like Pld's defining feature is CD that are overall more efficient than other jobs and shields to mitigate tons of damage for free.

[Reynhart]

People are mistaking big numbers for big DPS.
If you can pop two uber Fell Cleave every 60 seconds but doing somehow low damage the rest of the time, your DPS will still be average.

As for stance dancing, I think the advantage is a but too much. When PLD or DRK, stance dancing 1) cost you MP, 2) cost you GCD and 3) Interrupt your combos
For WAR, it doesn't cost you anything, doesn't interrupt anything and even convert wrath to abandon so you're ready to go right away.

[StouterTaru]

And warriors can just spam Fell Cleave about every 7 GCD...

[Reynhart]

And warriors can just spam Fell Cleave about every 7 GCD...

Actually, it's 9 GCD since you need 8 GCD to build 5 stacks, unless you "waste" a mitigation skill.
And without berserk, WAR potency is overall lower than DRK

In fact, taking only the window you need to use Fell Cleave from scratch and putting aside any skill with a cooldown longer than that window, PLD is the one with the highest base potency, even though he still lacks some damage buff.

[StouterTaru]

Actually, it's 9 GCD since you need 8 GCD to build 5 stacks, unless you "waste" a mitigation skill.

It's 8.5 if you ignore Infuriate and Berserk/Mitigation Abandon, and I said spam it, not use it once. Comes out closer to 7 in reality.

First rotation takes 3 Heavy Swing + 5 combos + cleave, 2nd rotation 2 Heavy Swing + 5 combos + cleave.

[Riastrad]

See... This is why rumors are bad ideas. The 10-15k crits you talk about is one specific scenario, during ravanas vulnerability phase a war fully buffed with party buffs and str potions and food hit ravana at precisely the right time for 2 back to back Hi crits with fell cleave. Yet it gets misconstrued that WARs are going around hitting 15k on everything. I have an i172 WAR ATM and even with full buffs I'm critting around 4k-5k on reg mobs with a 180 axe bought from law.... Ppl need to get stories correct.

SE designed WAR like this intentionally, because WARs self heals are to WAR what PLD shields are to pld. The Hi dmg war does in burst is to make its play style and tanking effective. Idk why that's so hard for you ppl to comprehend. And its not just self heals, WAR ALSO has to keep hate against buffd dps, its dmg output is a big part of how it maintains threat.

So crying about WAR dps is effectively saying you want WARs style to be changed, which its just my opinion, but I don't see that happening considering how they've treated smn and schs class dependency and smn total design being kept but just tweaked minorly despite a large outcry from the playerbase to overhaul it completely.

Haven't you heard? Warriors also account for the 90k problems and world hunger.

Fell Cleave eats up people's bandwidth to power itself up and burns calories like crazy!

[Illya]

Haven't you heard? Warriors also account for the 90k problems and world hunger.

Fell Cleave eats up people's bandwidth to power itself up and burns calories like crazy!

I would uh like it to burn calories like crazy so I can maintain my slim figure

I'm a Warrior and I think FC is fine. We could use a buff because we're weak.

If anything this is the truth. PLD is still a better DPS OT than WAR is after all this time, even though PLD is the easiest MT to play. How this even fathomably fair to WAR, I have no idea.

Both PLD and DRK have vastly superior "OH S***" buttons, Holmgang was a mistake and has always been nothing but trash. Meanwhile PLD have always had Hallowed Ground and now DRK shows up with Living Dead which is even better as long as your healer knows where his Benediction button is.