Sooooo this warrior bs...

[Cervani]

You know, I can understand SE wanting to take it slow on the fixes...especially with dark knight. The expansion just having been released.

So I can also understand that with drk getting such scrutiny, any bugs will be fixed immediately pretty much. This was confirmed with some bug with DA being fixed immediately.

But then I saw the one tiny change to warrior. Yes the healing needed fixed, badly. But nothing was said or done about the stupidly high damage warrior is putting out with Fell cleave and deliverance. It's gotten so bad on my server that I have people eschewing other tanks and ONLY taking warriors because of their obscenely high damage for a tank. Even more hilarious is the whole hushhush thing people who plays wars are doing to try and keep it quiet (e.g. the reddit thread fiasco).

Either the other tanks need to be brought in line dps wise, or warrior needs to be brought back in line. I can understand the want to be OP, I really do... but it still needs fixed.

[MinhSa]

Dark arts and Raw intuition were patched because they weren't working as intended
Not all warriors are doing tons of dps, and not all drks/pld are low in dps

[Alphras]

Does WAR actually do more dps? From what I have seen up until now, at least PLD is up there on the same level. Don't know about DRK after the Dark Arts patch.

[Casper]

Snip

Pld and Drk are able to output just as much dps than warriors in off tank stance -- Hell, Pld most likely outdps warrior if you consider that they can spam RA and never use RoH. Fell cleave is a very potent attack, but there is a reason it represents close to 25% of a warrior's dps: the rest of our damage is quite lower. Pld has a stupidly OP dps stance that give them tons of free damage, and Drk has tons of Off-Gcd powerful attacks, to the point that their burst damage is actually matching War one.

The DPS of all tanks is fine. The big advantage War has over other tanks in terms of DPS is the ease with which they can swap between stances compared to other tanks, making it much more convenient to stance dance on the fly. Then again, that's pretty much their defining features at this point, much like Pld's defining feature is CD that are overall more efficient than other jobs and shields to mitigate tons of damage for free.

[Reynhart]

People are mistaking big numbers for big DPS.
If you can pop two uber Fell Cleave every 60 seconds but doing somehow low damage the rest of the time, your DPS will still be average.

As for stance dancing, I think the advantage is a but too much. When PLD or DRK, stance dancing 1) cost you MP, 2) cost you GCD and 3) Interrupt your combos
For WAR, it doesn't cost you anything, doesn't interrupt anything and even convert wrath to abandon so you're ready to go right away.

[StouterTaru]

And warriors can just spam Fell Cleave about every 7 GCD...

[shinros]

People I have talked to in my FC who do statics say warrior's can actually do more dps than actual dps classes. Been hearing of 10-15k fell cleave crits which is pretty crazy for a tank of all things.

[Ditto]

Pld and Drk are able to output just as much dps than warriors in off tank stance -- Hell, Pld most likely outdps warrior if you consider that they can spam RA and never use RoH. Fell cleave is a very potent attack, but there is a reason it represents close to 25% of a warrior's dps: the rest of our damage is quite lower. Pld has a stupidly OP dps stance that give them tons of free damage, and Drk has tons of Off-Gcd powerful attacks, to the point that their burst damage is actually matching War one.

The DPS of all tanks is fine. The big advantage War has over other tanks in terms of DPS is the ease with which they can swap between stances compared to other tanks, making it much more convenient to stance dance on the fly. Then again, that's pretty much their defining features at this point, much like Pld's defining feature is CD that are overall more efficient than other jobs and shields to mitigate tons of damage for free.

Drk's have hardly ANY burst at all, don't quite understand why people act like they do. Carve & Spit is not burst when Souleater hits nearly the same amount, over and over and over again, every Dark Arts. Hell it's on a 60 second cooldown, and it's the ONLY off GCD skill we have that hits as hard as it does. That's hardly "tons". The only thing we have close to a burst is Blood Weapon, but with a 40 second recast timer and a 15 second duration, Blood Weapon is going to be up a lot. It isn't much of a burst outside of Grit. (Perhaps bursting your TP away maybe?)

And now without being able to double Dark Arts like we use to, our damage is only going to drop, probably quite a bit, meaning Warriors are likely a bit further ahead of us now, more so than they were before.

Also yes, Warrior DPS in general is just really crazy at the moment. They're all over the place, out DPS'ing multiple DPS jobs.

[StouterTaru]

Drk's have hardly ANY burst at all, don't quite understand why people act like they do. Carve & Spit is not burst when Souleater hits nearly the same amount, over and over and over again, every Dark Arts. Hell it's on a 60 second cooldown, and it's the ONLY off GCD skill we have that hits as hard as it does.

As opposed to all those off GCD power hits that WAR has; Brutal Swing and Mercy Stroke.

[Alphras]

People I have talked to in my FC who do statics say warrior's can actually do more dps than actual dps classes. Been hearing of 10-15k fell cleave crits which is pretty crazy for a tank of all things.

Strange how these numbers are getting bigger and bigger. Do they have ilvl 200 gear or something?