Sooooo this warrior bs...

[Ditto]

Pld and Drk are able to output just as much dps than warriors in off tank stance -- Hell, Pld most likely outdps warrior if you consider that they can spam RA and never use RoH. Fell cleave is a very potent attack, but there is a reason it represents close to 25% of a warrior's dps: the rest of our damage is quite lower. Pld has a stupidly OP dps stance that give them tons of free damage, and Drk has tons of Off-Gcd powerful attacks, to the point that their burst damage is actually matching War one.

The DPS of all tanks is fine. The big advantage War has over other tanks in terms of DPS is the ease with which they can swap between stances compared to other tanks, making it much more convenient to stance dance on the fly. Then again, that's pretty much their defining features at this point, much like Pld's defining feature is CD that are overall more efficient than other jobs and shields to mitigate tons of damage for free.

Drk's have hardly ANY burst at all, don't quite understand why people act like they do. Carve & Spit is not burst when Souleater hits nearly the same amount, over and over and over again, every Dark Arts. Hell it's on a 60 second cooldown, and it's the ONLY off GCD skill we have that hits as hard as it does. That's hardly "tons". The only thing we have close to a burst is Blood Weapon, but with a 40 second recast timer and a 15 second duration, Blood Weapon is going to be up a lot. It isn't much of a burst outside of Grit. (Perhaps bursting your TP away maybe?)

And now without being able to double Dark Arts like we use to, our damage is only going to drop, probably quite a bit, meaning Warriors are likely a bit further ahead of us now, more so than they were before.

Also yes, Warrior DPS in general is just really crazy at the moment. They're all over the place, out DPS'ing multiple DPS jobs.

[StouterTaru]

Drk's have hardly ANY burst at all, don't quite understand why people act like they do. Carve & Spit is not burst when Souleater hits nearly the same amount, over and over and over again, every Dark Arts. Hell it's on a 60 second cooldown, and it's the ONLY off GCD skill we have that hits as hard as it does.

As opposed to all those off GCD power hits that WAR has; Brutal Swing and Mercy Stroke.

[Ditto]

As opposed to all those off GCD power hits that WAR has; Brutal Swing and Mercy Stroke.

I'm not comparing it to Warrior.

Just because 1 class has an off GCD hard hitting attack doesn't mean it's a burst class.

Just as you don't NEED off gcd's to have burst. (But lets not just act like Wars crazy damage buffs don't exist)

Drk damage is streamlined, unless you're for whatever reason sitting at MP cap and being very, very picky on when to DA a souleater. In which case you're screwing your own DPS.

Strange how these numbers are getting higher and higher. Do they have ilvl 200 gear or something?

10k - 15k is easily achievable with 20% Echo. That's likely where people are getting those numbers from.

[BlueThunder]

And now without being able to double Dark Arts like we use to, our damage is only going to drop, probably quite a bit, meaning Warriors are likely a bit further ahead of us now, more so than they were before.

Also yes, Warrior DPS in general is just really crazy at the moment. They're all over the place, out DPS'ing multiple DPS jobs.

And speaking of the fix they did to Dark Arts, try using it with Abyssal Drain and Dark Passenger with a pack of mobs, you'll "like" what you will see...