RIP Ninja

[silentwindfr]

We don't know if we'll be doing the same damage as before.
It was never clarified if positional bonuses will be added damage or taken from our current potencies.
There's no reason to make the assumption one way or the other.

Wanderer minuet is a skill added after level 50, it will be a boost of dps, it's them answer to the bard asking for more damage.
it was really clear from what did said yoshida that the skill of the ninja will be changed for included the positional, is not a change past 50, it will be a change of the skill of when you get it. meaning the dps will still be the same than what we can do now without it.

why that? simple, because some people will not buy the expansion, and if the boost from the positional is an increase of the actual dps... it will make the jobs unbalanced for the player without the expansion.

you can argue that WM will change the way to play the bard and i will say, yes, but not as much as positional will affect the ninja. my point saying that wanderer minuet is an option for increase your damage when not moving is more than valid, it's the goal of this skill. allows player to increase them damage when they don't need to move! it offer you the possibility to increase your damage when you don't need to move. allowing the bard that want to be at the same level than some blm, smn to reach this goal.

positional will not offer more option for increase our damage, is a restriction and it was presented as that. when wanderer minuet was presented as an option for increase your damage. it quite different in the approach.

38 pages of complaints on taking 2 steps to the left/right.

why not change the core mechanic of your jobs, let's remove the stance or something like this... because that what they do.

ps: oh another point that quite amusing, can they explain me, why we do have a skill recquiring to be infront of the enemy for deal massive damage, when they have used as explanation about the add of the positional, the fact that only tank must fight head on?

[Elazu]

why not change the core mechanic of your jobs, let's remove the stance or something like this... because that what they do.

Having no positionals is the ninja's core mechanic?

Lmao

[Allyrion]

why that? simple, because some people will not buy the expansion, and if the boost from the positional is an increase of the actual dps... it will make the jobs unbalanced for the player without the expansion.

Seems like a weak reason.
Pre max level content is never balanced, 50 is now leveling content.
Do you really think they're not going to change the balance of the current classes in addition to the new abilities.
All Jobs will now be balanced by the full kit. They're not going to keep all the potencies the same just to keep old content balanced.
It's really unlikely all classes won't have some potency changes to their current abilities simply to adjust for the new abilities and to balance around what the other classes get.

If positionals are bonus potencies, WM will be bonus damage for standing still.
We'll be balanced around that, so the numbers right now are really irrelevant because they can always be adjusted and certainly will be for 3.0.
No one is getting free damage, it will all be taken into consideration they look at balance.

If they're successful at simulating the Jobs in a live battle is another matter, but retaining old numbers and pre-50 kits just for people who won't buy the expansion?
Yea, that would be a design flaw and I'll be really surprised if SE care at all about 50 balance after the level cap is raised.

I'm pretty sure the positional is applied to the Huton refresh move which will be added onto the end of the gust slash combo. If this is it then it's hardly game breaking. The job could use a bit more complexity to be honest. I haven't seen any info about them retroactively adding positionals to previous moves so unless someone can source such a thing I'd say it's rumor and a baseless concern at best.

Nah, not baseless. They implied it's added to old moves and they said several.

Furthermore, we have added positioning to several weapon skills. Current ninja doesn’t have much positioning and was able to attack from any direction freely, so we included positioning for some.

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