Quote Originally Posted by Pluvia View Post
Should of said for ninjutsu damage and not overall damage to look at the overall damage outlook
At my gear level Raiton is about 30-40 of my dps depending the amount of crits including the use of foes.
Lets just take a simplistic look at fuma and raiton. in a 3min situation.
My minimum hit for fuma is around 600 (lowest i saw was 585) with the slashing debuff non crit raiton's minimum is around 800 non crit all of these are without party buff

so lets look at this in the most simplistic in a vacuum look
5 casts of either raiton or fuma
4k damage for raiton 800 each
3k for fuma using 600 each with slashing debuff.
so about at 25% loss of ninjutsu damage.

so lets just take my lowest number for raiton dps if raiton brings 30 dps fuma brings about 22.5 dps which will only get worse come expansion.
obviously this is speculation since we have no info

Lets say we never have to recast Huton. in 3 min that adds another 3 fuma/raiton

again 800 for raiton so about 7200 damage
again 600 for fuma so about 4800 damage
a difference of about 33% in ninjutsu damage.

Once again none of the above numbers were using foes or any buffs at all.
A number of problems with this. One, if you're getting minimum 800 damage on a Raiton with no buffs, then just having poison up means you shoud be getting 600 minimum on Fuma even without the slashing debuff. My Fuma will never fall below 600 damage with no buffs up other than poisons, with my minimum unbuffed Raiton being about 756 (Raiton being unaffected by poisons or DE). If your minimum Raiton is 44 above mine, you should never be seeing 585 Fuma Shurikens. So the base difference is less than the 25% you're saying it is, unless all of your Raiton casts are somehow getting Foe Requiem. There should only be about a 12% difference before accounting for Foe.

Second, in your last paragraph you compare 9 Raiton casts (7,200 damage is 9x800) against 8 Fuma casts (8x600 is 4,800). Correcting for this, it should be 6,400 vs 4,800. 4,800 is 75% of 6,400, which is the same (exaggerated) 25% you got in the first paragraph. Which makes sense, because the % change isn't going to change as you keep going.

Now, if you factor in DE, FR, and Venoms, you have about 316.8 Fuma potency vs 396 Raiton potency. That's a .8:1 ratio. So you should lose about 20% of your Ninjutsu dps if you have Foe Requiem up for every Raiton cast. Every cast that you don't have it up for moves it closer to the 12% I mentioned in my first paragraph, and Battle Voice will shift it slightly back towards the 20%.

But we're talking about probably ~17% loss on what's currently, according to your numbers, 30 DPS. So, a 5 DPS loss at current gear levels (maybe 6 or so because I doubt either of us are BIS). Even if our DPS from Ninjutsu quadruples in HW, that'd be about 20-24 DPS lost out of probably over 1k DPS. So, a 2% loss of total DPS? That's not huge.