RIP Ninja

[silentwindfr]

we do have one positional that implie a outgcd skill.... that is launched outside the ninjutsu, it's not hard to use it. it will be quite different if all our weaponskill recquire positional. so far, we play behind the target most of the time and don't really move from it.(exept against dragon and them tail swipe) but if the whole combo system recquire positional, the skill needed for use it correctly with the ninjutsu will not be the same. you will need to keep in mind, your positon, your combo and where it will lead you next step plus ninjutsu combinaison. (i will be nice and ignore the mudra lag)
i will not talk of the case where the monster move at the last second and we loose the boost from the position that will happend quite often (not every boss are static) i can't wait to see the medium player simply abandon ninja, even good player on the long run will be bored to have to do this all the time. when dragoon and monk don't have this.

anyway, the reason of why you and i think that positional is bad are both right, for you is not a trouble, for other people is a trouble.
positional are not wanted for 3 reason so far:
- people did choose the jobs because it was free of positional and did want to play a melee dps different of monk and dragoon.
- like you say it will add nothing to the jobs. (we are both feeling the same about this, believe me, i feel soo much angry about them inability to produce new mechanic for the ninja when all the jobs evolve)
- finally, it will recquire more skill than monk and dragoon to play it correctly and pull the adequate dps needed for high level content.

this three reason are valid, i have never said your was wrong, you are right, this add nothing to the ninja.

[SDaemon]

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So you rationale is to take it to the extreme that all our skills will have positionals? Bayohne said for "some" for all we know that could be 1 positional added to our old skills and 1 or 2 for the new skills. And those new skills could be of similar usage to TA. Even a handful of positionals wouldn't be bad.

I told you in another thread, saying that we will now require more skill than a MNK or DRG is ridiculous and unfounded.

[silentwindfr]

So you rationale is to take it to the extreme that all our skills will have positionals? Bayohne said for "some" for all we know that could be 1 positional added to our old skills and 1 or 2 for the new skills. And those new skills could be of similar usage to TA. Even a handful of positionals wouldn't be bad.

I told you in another thread, saying that we will now require more skill than a MNK or DRG is ridiculous and unfounded.

maybe you are right, but at the same time, maybe i'm the one right, because that was not what did said yoshida, he did said that ninja must attack from flank and rear, because that the tank role to attack from front. then instead to continue this debat, let's wait 3-4 week we will have the answer, but i'm not naive to the point to think that after this sentence of yoshida only a few skill will have positional.

check the live letter: http://www.twitch.tv/finalfantasyxiv...683?t=2h12m14s

[Enjuden]

I feel that it is silly to complain about positionals and consider it a 'nerf' when you don't know about the skill descriptions in the first place. What if the potency is the same for every single ability without said positional and all skills that do get a positional get a potency increase for fulfilling that requirement? Is that still 'RIP Ninja'?

Don't just assume that a class getting another requirement is going to be a 'nerf' when the requirement can be a buff. Because quite frankly, Ninjas do not have nearly enough worries to justify their current DPS when played optimally in 2.5. They never had.

Still, the main issue that a ninja has aside from Mudra lag is that it brings nothing to the table other melee have or do not do better. It used to with their low TP costs but they don't have that anymore, so now what? Hopefully the changes either fix the TP issue, or give..something, anything that makes Ninjas stand out from Dragoon or Monk.

[Riepah]

Still, the main issue that a ninja has aside from Mudra lag is that it brings nothing to the table other melee have or do not do better. It used to with their low TP costs but they don't have that anymore, so now what? Hopefully the changes either fix the TP issue, or give..something, anything that makes Ninjas stand out from Dragoon or Monk.

And I sure hope they don't consider Goad and the new aggro decrease ability to be enough. Goad just became a bit less useful with MNKs getting the ability to recover their own TP, and aggro should never be a problem in the first place. Not to mention that they still aren't giving us visible party TP bars.

[Kiroh]

And I sure hope they don't consider Goad and the new aggro decrease ability to be enough. Goad just became a bit less useful with MNKs getting the ability to recover their own TP, and aggro should never be a problem in the first place. Not to mention that they still aren't giving us visible party TP bars.

The only thing I can imagine Goad being useful for now is WAR or BRD AoEing. Though with WAR getting a DPS stance it might prove useful yet...

[Taranok]

The only thing I can imagine Goad being useful for now is WAR or BRD AoEing. Though with WAR getting a DPS stance it might prove useful yet...

Considering how much they're altering rotations of pretty much every class, the only assumption that can be made is that the devs are probably revisiting TP usage. But if they don't, and the war dps stance is similar to its tanking right now, it won't need any goad at all in 99% of all fights.

[Viridiana]

I told you in another thread, saying that we will now require more skill than a MNK or DRG is ridiculous and unfounded.

But how else are we going to get 4 weeks of doom and gloom!?

[Dualblade]

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You are assuming Ninja is going to be like a Monk, when you should instead look at what they did with Dragoon. Right now we only have two positionals, with the possibility of another one coming in Heavensward. Ninja will most likely be something similar, not like Monk where positionals are everything.