The Monk Temple Reborn

[Ricdeau]

Ah okay. So I am not doing anything wrong by doing Boot/twin/Demo, but I am doing something wrong by doing DK/True/Snap afterwards? Is it just not as much DPS to get up the debuff right away instead of doing boot/true/snap? If so, this will make playing monk WAY easier than what I have been doing it. Haha

Whether you decide to do DK>True and BS>Twin rotations is up to you as long as you use them every other rotation. Most people stick to flank>flank and rear>rear rotations because it's generally easier to maintain. All personal preference. The amount of times you will start a boss without PB will be few, and on trash who cares...just hit buttons, haha.

[ErzaScarlet77]

so it hink i understand how chakra and gl3 will work.

i think you will get chakra the same way as you get GL but then when chakra has 5 stacks it unlocks 2 skills, the changing form thing and the burst one that costs GL3 (im guessing its impossible to get chakra 5 without also getting GL3).

sorry if this was obvious but i was so confused and i kept rereading the producer letter trying to make sense of it

[Odowla]

Its hard to tell without knowing what the actual moves do and if we're only getting 2. I doubt we're only getting two, remember they didnt show rotations just showing off abilities.

I'd bet the rotation would still revolve around 123 456, + whatever our new buffs are (I thought they mentioned something about a 5% damage buff.. with everyhting else considered its around 9% atm though), BUT,

If our new chakra or w/e it is stacks work anything like warrior, we'll gain a ton of TP. But with the training I did on Pugilist makes me wonder if we'll end up getting a lot of other non-combo gcd's. It would make teh class much harder to play (and as such, would allow for the class to be given a lot more damage).

I'm thinking something like refreshing stacks as low as possible, but we can't be as in depth as the BLM thread is right now without getting numbers/potencies. They have a probable Potency on their Fire IV already due to the video.

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The way I see it working is being a way to refresh stacks before short bursts of downtime. I.E. It could advance your stance to the next one immedietely (raptor > coeurl, for example, and coeurl > opo, stuff like that.)

As for an ability that costs our GL stacks, depending on how it works it could be potentially worth it to do it when you have every cooldown up and they're about to fall off, like potion + bfb + ir with 1s left or something, then PB to gain them again rq.
Also they'll probably not make the potency as high as you'd hope, since a 300 potency attack turns into a 500 potency when you account for GL3 + Twins + DK + FoF, so I'd think the /highest/ They'll do would be 450/500 as it doesnt get to retarded levels.

[Eli_Jin]

I'm thinking one of two possibilities.

Either we can use the ability(ies) to move through the forms (without needing to have anything targeted) which builds up chakra and GL3 same way moving through the forms (by attacking) builds GL3 now.

Or the ability that moves through forms only builds chakra and not GL, but we get an ability that consumes chakra stacks and gives GL stacks.

If either of these are true we can build chakra / GL3 before engaging the boss in the first place, and effectively start encounters with GL3 and use PB for burst.

[Ossom]

I don't think they are changing the base rotation.

If they were to add a move into the base rotation then we would either not be able to maintain Dragon Kick or Twin snakes so that we can fit that new move in. It's either this or we would stop using bootshine or true srtike.

So what we get instead is Chakra. Now it seems that Chakra allows you to do a few things.

I'm guessing that it allows us to change between forms when were not attacking so that we do not go formless during the invincible parts of raid (For instance, the reason we can't get Dragon Kick up immediately unless we use PB).

The next thing it seems to do is give you a very powerful burst attack.

One other thing that I noticed that I think people might not have seen is that it looks like we get a skill similar to Infuriate. If you watch the video, after the monk does Rockbreaker he does a skill to get full Chakra, and then he blows his GL before PB is over. Meaning it looks like you can Stack GL in the first 3 hits of PB, Pop your Chakra-Infuriate and Blow your GL for the Wombo Combo.

If this is the case then the best times to blow your Wombo Combo are, before an Invincibility moment (Divebombs in T13), Right before you use PB and restart your entire rotation over, or right before you are about to Snap Punch/Demo so that you don't drop down to base nonGL for more than one GCD. Fortunately this does not look like an integral part of the new Monk Rotation and more as the sudden burstiness similar to Blm's Flare. Now we haven't seen the full extent of the skills, so it might even be possible that one of the Chakra skills is instant GL3, Which would completely change our Opener and make this Chakra thing a big more cooler.

We could then blow our Wombo Combo and pop the Chakra-Infuriate and be back at GL3 before we know it

[Craiger]

I see some of you mention Chakra or the change stance thing, giving us GL stacks... but wasn't their whole point, NOT to give us an easier way of keeping/regaining GL? I assumed that's what the big attack before boss jumps was about. So that you make up some for the loss of DPS when building up GL again.

If we get both a high potency attack to use before boss jumps, AND a way to regain GL stacks, that sounds pretty OP if you ask me.

[Coltvoyance]

To me, it sounded as though Meditation/Chakra is a way for us to be proactive during "downtime" phases when we cant hit the boss. Using Chakra to regain TP or to assist with regaining GL3. The skill that consumes our GL3 stacks is to give purpose to the fact that we are forced to give up that powerful buff.

The whole system is built around making the detrimental "down-time" Monks were forced into, useful for them in fights. Those "down-time" phases were great for other classes, but for Monk it just put a hard reset on everything and made us start from scratch. I see this system as the solution to that.

And to be honest, I dont think Monk can be "too OP" it deserves its rightful place as "Highest DPS" because it's one of the most difficult classes to play correctly.

[Craiger]

To me, it sounded as though Meditation/Chakra is a way for us to be proactive during "downtime" phases when we cant hit the boss. Using Chakra to regain TP or to assist with regaining GL3. The skill that consumes our GL3 stacks is to give purpose to the fact that we are forced to give up that powerful buff.

The whole system is built around making the detrimental "down-time" Monks were forced into, useful for them in fights. Those "down-time" phases were great for other classes, but for Monk it just put a hard reset on everything and made us start from scratch. I see this system as the solution to that.

And to be honest, I dont think Monk can be "too OP" it deserves its rightful place as "Highest DPS" because it's one of the most difficult classes to play correctly.

I'm just gonna stop speculating until we get some more info I was mostly posting that to get everyone else's interpretation of it.

I'm just happy they're focusing on fixing those annoying down-times for MNK.

[Deebs]

little late to the party but.. new monk temple post with chakra rotation included...please look forward to it! can't wait to get to 60!

[ErzaScarlet77]

Im just a littlle bit dissapointed that the new kick isnt as flashy as demolish

Although it is pretty hard to have cooler animation than demolish