RIP Ninja

[Kallera]

You dont NEED to do the positional but you will do more dmg doing them so is basically like mnk and drg.

When its the difference between an out of combo aoelian edge and a proper aoelian edge, its not "you don't need to".

[Ultimatecalibur]

When its the difference between an out of combo aoelian edge and a proper aoelian edge, its not "you don't need to".

I doubt the loss on the positionals will be 220 potency. The positional bonus will be around 50 at most.

[Kiroh]

I doubt the loss on the positionals will be 220 potency. The positional bonus will be around 50 at most.

??? The positional bonus on Sneak/Trick attack (which is already in the game) is 200/160 respectively. It is entirely plausible that the bonus could be 200+ given what we already have.

If you are playing Ninja and you are not dancing already, you are doing it wrong.

Ninja has absolutely no reason whatsoever to position themselves for any skills but sneak/trick attack. There are no other positional bonuses on Ninja skills, and you should already be behind the enemy anyways so it's hardly moving to begin with.

[Brill_]

??? The positional bonus on Sneak/Trick attack (which is already in the game) is 200/160 respectively. It is entirely plausible that the bonus could be 200+ given what we already have.

Monk positional bonus is 40-50. IIRC, sneak/trick attack are not on the global cooldown. Skills on GCD I doubt will have that large of a bonus.

As a monk main, I always aim to hit positionals. I never say I'm not going to hit positional just because I don't have to. Only time I miss on a positional is when it's a matter of losing greased lightning. If I have the time for ideal positioning, I will.

I'm also mixed on positional. Yeah, they are a pain, but without them, monk could be too boring. I just got done light farming on my warrior and most of the time I just dps as an off tank during HM primal farms. It was kind of boring with not having to worry about positional.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm just gonna copypaste something I said in response to someone else about this already. I'm sure it's been said, but it apparently NEEDS to be said, so here goes:

"Honestly, it's a huge overreaction.

What was said was that because there wasn't much the Ninja really needed, they instead took note that people were mainly using ninjutsu for keeping up their Huton buff (which ironically, IS something very useful for maxing DPS as a Ninja). So THROUGH positional attack options, they're allowing people to extend Huton.

Nothing said Ninja rotations are going to demand positionals now, AND, if you simply want to stick to the rotations that currently exist and continue to use mudra casts for Huton, you can do that. They're simply allowing another option, keyword: Option.

So the choices are: Adapt and learn more about the Ninja job as you level it, stick to what you know and ultimately underperform overall, or choose a different job. The last choice is fine too, but if they later decide to make a change to that, what then?"

[Adire]

So THROUGH positional attack options, they're allowing people to extend Huton.

Nothing said Ninja rotations are going to demand positionals now,

By combining new weapon skills in the rotation you’ll be able to maintain the Huton effect, so you can now use ninjutsu other than Huton to output much higher DPS.

Furthermore, we have added positioning to several weapon skills. Current ninja doesn’t have much positioning and was able to attack from any direction freely, so we included positioning for some.

New weaponskills refresh Huton, current Ninja skills get positionals. Think you misunderstood. Though this post is a bit vague, it strongly insinuates that current skills will be getting positionals.

Also, if you want to melee DPS by using management and multitasking like that's been emphasized with NIN this whole time, there will be no other option for you if this is changed. Why make NIN like MNK, but with mudras to add increased difficulty and for most likely less dps?

Why not add more to NIN to make it distinctive, or at least just add more rear positionals in the new skills since it makes the most sense for Ninjas to attack from the rear in the first place?