DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Gilthas]

Are you suggesting the same wouldn't be true for PvP?

Not the PVP that is being asked for here.

[Nalien]

Not the PVP that is being asked for here.

Given I've seen next to no "drama" in game coming out of existing PvP, I have no reason to believe any addition like Duels would add any.

How many times have you seen people shouting to have others "prove" themselves in Wolves' Den? Or Triple Triad? Or any of the existing PvP?

The people who would "abuse" Dueling would solely be the people who currently abuse Vote Kick/Shout/etc., should those be removed because assholes exist? No. Those people get Blacklisted and forgotten about. Nothing would change with Duels. Never mind the fact that we've suggested things like locking Duels behind a quest (like current PvP is...) or having a required PvP Rank; Meaning if any of you currently don't PvP, nobody would be able to Duel you anyway.

This ! If they must give them dueling, make it so pure PVE players never have to see them.

Never see them, or never see the requests? Covered the later, have absolutely no idea why anyone cares if a Duel is going on as they're passing by. It's a really odd attitude some people seem to have (not saying you specifically), that seeing a Duel going on is some how offensive to them while people doing all manner of ridiculous things (should I list what I see going on in Revenant's Toll? I don't want to...) is OK. For some reason people Dueling in the open world (which 90% of people hardly even use) is problematic, causing unwanted lag and noise pollution, but people doing Treasure Maps, Levequests and who cares what else isn't? I really don't get that mentality.

[Gilthas]

Given I've seen next to no "drama" in game coming out of existing PvP, I have no reason to believe any addition like Duels would add any.

And? I've also never seen any "raid drama" outside of raids either.

[Nalien]

And? I've also never seen any "raid drama" outside of raids either.

You seem to have missed the point. I haven't really seen any PvP drama inside PvP.

PvE instances are full of drama, Crystal Tower specifically. In my experience PvP has, if anything, been the opposite. I've seen plenty of people being very welcoming and helpful in Frontlines, forgiving even. I imagine that's the result of PvPers knowing that turning people off is bad for PvP in general, not to mention there isn't really a way to fail in PvP (you can lose, but you still get rewards). PvE you kick a newb and the Duty Finder will land you a replacement in minutes, someone fucks up a mechanic you have to repeat the whole fight, wasting time as you have to repeat fights to get to the rewards.

Like I said, if anyone is going to "abuse" Duels, it's not the PvPers, it's the assholes who are currently being assholes anyway. Slap a PvPr10 requirement on sending/accepting Duels and problem solved, I doubt those people could even make it to PvPr3.

[Gilthas]

You seem to have missed the point. I haven't really seen any PvP drama inside PvP.

Well, good for you I guess. My point is still the same: people don't see raid drama in the open world because raids are contained within raids. Same thing is true for PvP. That would change if PvP became possible in the open world.

[Nalien]

Well, good for you I guess. My point is still the same: people don't see raid drama in the open world because raids are contained within raids. Same thing is true for PvP. That would change if PvP became possible in the open world.

Player verses Player is already possible in the open world, it's called Triple Triad. How many times have you seen people talking smack over Triple Triad? Ever?

Though really, lets stop pretending that the elitist attitude from raids doesn't leak out of instances and into Mor Dhona. I've seen plenty of Party Finder groups presumably gone wrong erupt into argument in Mor Dhona. I've seen plenty of (presumably) "notoriously bad" players shouting at each other.

I also don't really see how it would change if there was something like a PvPr requirement. People simply wouldn't be able to challenge you if you don't PvP. That pretty much makes Duels something solely for PvPers.

[kpxmanifesto]

Well, good for you I guess. My point is still the same: people don't see raid drama in the open world because raids are contained within raids. Same thing is true for PvP. That would change if PvP became possible in the open world.

To be honest, I see a lot of people in Revenant's Toll bad-mouthing each other about PF groups. For example people shout: "Don't join so and so's clear party because they ain't gonna clear anything." You see drama like this all the time.

A lot of smack talk happens in open world PVE too. People pull S ranks and A ranks too early or even reset them, and as a result there's a whole cacophony of drama.

[Tiggy]

Huh?? I've never seen more petty smack talk in this game in places other than raids.

Honestly, Duty Finder is worse and more often than not it's not from the better players in my experience.