DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Alacran]

Thank you. Thank you for giving me the perfect example of the kind of bad attitude I believe comes with dueling. In your zest to argue about it and disparage those that disagree you've perfectly put on display the exact reason I don't want dueling.

Pve is the primary focus of this game yet you find it appropriate to tell me to quit just because some OPTIONAL pvp exists? You have a terrible attitude and dueling well only being more people like you out from the woodwork.

If it were to be added I would only approve of it being in a limit zone or zones where you must go to actively participate. That way I, and others that don't like this attitude, can avoid you entirely.

With all due respect what you approve of has no bearing what so ever. There is no reason a quest line for those that want access to dueling/ sparring should not be implemented. One would simply need not do the aforementioned quest and the option to duel would be nonexistent. You can stay your "pure" PvE self (even after you beat a Roe and his Elf friend in front of all of your friends/ admirers).

Please explain honestly how a system I (and many others) just explained in this particular post would hinder any of those that do not want this option. Truly how does this impede, offend, bother, matter at all to your progress/ enjoyment of the game?

[Tiggy]

Please explain honestly how a system I (and many others) just explained in this particular post would hinder any of those that do not want this option. Truly how does this impede, offend, bother, matter at all to your progress/ enjoyment of the game?

I already said so earlier in a previous post.

You're entitled to your opinion, and so am I. I don't expect you to agree but I have a right to record it here so Square sees it.

[Nalien]

Oh, can't believe I didn't remember this sooner; Hunts.

Forget raid drama, I've seen enough "early pull" crap to last me a lifetime.

A lot of smack talk happens in open world PVE too. People pull S ranks and A ranks too early or even reset them, and as a result there's a whole cacophony of drama.

Edit that in just as I posted D:

Guess Hunts should be removed because of a few bad apples, since that seems to be the mentality against adding Duels (despite all the failsafes we've suggested~). Better not add those Floating Islands in 3.1, imagine all the FC drama they're going to causes as well.

[Gilthas]

Guess Hunts should be removed because of a few bad apples, since that seems to be the mentality against adding Duels (despite all the failsafes we've suggested~). Better not add those Floating Islands in 3.1, imagine all the FC drama they're going to causes as well.

Actually, I would be happy if crap like Hunts had never been added to the game, but that's a tale for another day.

Arguments like "it doesn't matter if this causes drama, because other stuff already causes drama" isn't really a good argument.

[Nalien]

Arguments like "it doesn't matter if this causes drama, because other stuff already causes drama" isn't really a good argument.

Good thing that isn't my argument.

My argument is that we shouldn't dismiss content because some people are going to be dicks. If we did, we wouldn't have any content. This is an MMO, some people are going to be dicks, if "we can't have that because some people are dicks" was a rational argument MMOs simply wouldn't exist.

This is true for Raids. It's true for Hunts. It's true for crafting and the in-game economy. And yes, it's true for PvP. The only issue here is that, when people are dicks in PvE, people call them out as such, but when people are dicks in PvP (and currently they're not), people go "PvPers are bad! We shouldn't have PvP!". It's blindly hypocritical, just like the whole nonsense about Duels somehow causing lag when Treasure Maps don't already. The whole "Duels will cause drama" thing is just another vain attempt at people who don't PvP trying to justify not having PvP in the game. We get it, you all don't like PvP, that is exactly why we're suggesting Duels in such a way that it wouldn't affect you. None of us who actually PvP care for Duels for e-peen, as you lot have suggested. None of us who actually PvP even care to challenge non-PvPers. The whole argument hinges on some hypothetical douchbags we've seen zero evidence of in game, even if you all want to pretend that they'd suddenly spawn in were Duels added, please do explain how they'd go about upsetting you if Duels were introduced in such a way as we've suggested throughout this thread?

[kpxmanifesto]

Arguments like "it doesn't matter if this causes drama, because other stuff already causes drama" isn't really a good argument.

I think that's an excellent argument. People are ok with the drama caused by PvEers but won't tolerate the supposed drama that will arise from PvPers? That's called a double standard. Saying someone has a double standard is a good way of discrediting their argument because it shows they have the inability to be impartial.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Triple Triad is duel pvp, and there has been no drama from that. So the QQ is for no reason.

[Riastrad]

Do you know what's offensive to me? Being told by a random stranger that I can't duel in this game because I would not be able to handle not being a jerk. Way to stereotype. Please don't act as if PVE only encourages camaraderie. Besides, some people (such as myself and my brother) would only like to duel each other and our friends.

Just make a quest that enables dueling and call it a day. That has been said many times already I know, but very few people seem to acknowledge that. So it is worth repeating in my opinion.

[Gamer3427]

I'm all for a duel system of some sort. Maybe if you don't want it to be publicly fighting everywhere, (I can see some issues with accidentally accepting a duel challenge in areas filled with monsters), it could make use of the actual arena in Ul'Dah in some way or form. Such as maybe have it where you can either enter the ring via the DF solo to get a "random match", or as a party of two to have a "private match"......

If such was implemented, I would also be all for the idea of allowing spectators via talking to an attendant of some sort in Ul'Dah at the arena itself. It could be a payed attraction to do when you're bored, (maybe just a couple hundred gil), and have a tournament system implemented as well. In addition to the bragging rights, the victor could receive a set gil amount plus 50% of the admission fees from any spectators that watch their match. If implemented properly, it could give us both a form of entertainment to the world, and a fun way to individually test our skills against each other if we so choose......

EDIT: After going back and reviewing some of the previous posts in this thread, I would like to point out that a duel system is no where near the same as open PvP. I don't really see why all the PvP haters out there seem to think that allowing organized duels of some variety is the same as allowing PKing and harassment in the open world? I personally hate open world PvP because said harassment is so easy, but dueling is in and of itself something different entirely. It's an agreed upon challenge between two combatants, (be they friends, rivals, or two angry people who think that each other is bad at the game), to test their skills against one another, and nothing more. Claiming it would cause any more drama than what already exists is baseless. People will still harass each other claiming that they're better than the other regardless, this is why the "report player" option exists to begin with. Creating a dueling system simply allows two players who feel the same to put their gil where their mouth is in such situations. Harassing players will get the same treatment they currently get......

[Alacran]

Don't want this at all. There is no point in 1v1 pvp even in just dueling when every real pvp feature is team based. It's just for e-peen and I don't think it has a place here, and I don't want the kind of environment it creates.

The point of it would be an option for those that want it. Numerous times it was explained as being a way for people to pass time, not just for "e-Peen".

It changes some of the tone and attitude of much of the community making it much more confrontational and competitive. That much would be forced on everyone regardless if they participate or not.

This seems to denote you can see the future, the ability to know exactly how an entire community will become savage war mongering ravagers must be a great burden.

Thank you. Thank you for giving me the perfect example of the kind of bad attitude I believe comes with dueling. In your zest to argue about it and disparage those that disagree you've perfectly put on display the exact reason I don't want dueling.

Pve is the primary focus of this game yet you find it appropriate to tell me to quit just because some OPTIONAL pvp exists? You have a terrible attitude and dueling well only being more people like you out from the woodwork.

If it were to be added I would only approve of it being in a limit zone or zones where you must go to actively participate. That way I, and others that don't like this attitude, can avoid you entirely.

I mean, that is a real question. If you mean you get offended by "seeing" someone fight, then please grow up. (If you don't, then ignore this!) There are many things in the world a lot worse.

Anyways, they were talking about adding contested content to the game. Which is PvP, so I guess if that offends you you should probably quit anyways.

Although, you might as well quit now because crafting is already a sort of "PvP" since your selling your goods versus other players. Does that offend you?

Not that i'm telling you to quit for real. I just don't see why people play games when they don't have fun, and get offended when other people have fun.

Competition is human nature, and it is already competitive. Look at raids.

The forums are confrontational and they are part of the game, as you can see. Things on the forums can change how the game works. So its already a thing.

As a role-player, I see fighting every single day pretty much. Although its from role-playing if we had a feature like this it could enhance my role-play experience and make it more immersive. Although it could also make it less so if people have characters who don't use the skills. However it could be useful for events, instead of spamming chat with emotes you could just have spars and fights.

This was the entirety of this persons quote, if someone takes to the time to explain their resoning please take the time to use their entire quote, chopping it up to paint yourself as a victim is not an admirable aspect of anyone's personality.

That's a cutscene and a boss fight...not dueling and not even close to what's suggested here. That's REALLY stretching it.

They were in fact examples of dueling in the FF series, used to illustrate their importance and to offer a stage as to why it has it is wanted and expected by long time fans of the series and of the genre.